Should Ichbin Perma Die!?

[Vichtor]

I don't agree with murderous.. heartless characters myself because they have no life here or any other world .. as I said.. they don't last long cause they are going to get found out.. unless they plan ahead. .

Red: Unneeded generalization, bad Soulbadguy, Bad! I'm a heartless bastard, and I have a life...

Bold: Exactly.....exactly.

[undeadsteak]

So you're saying evil people should not take advantage of other peoples weakness?

Urm, nice sentiment and all but if I go outside there're people who will beat you up for looking at them wrong. Fact. So if I took those people into a place where there's no punishment for murder, lawless land, gave them magic that could probably take down a small group of soldiers (Modern day, though mostly because they'd be busy laughing when he starts waving his arms about and chanting and screaming when screaming when tentacles rip from the floor to disembowel them) they would SO not kill or severely injure anyone.

You get people doing it all the time in other countries (I live in england. Four people shot dead within a month or so made national news papers so as far as I'm aware it's uncommon here...) People who buy guns and go sick with the ability to take life. Stereotype american 'hillbillies' and 'gangstas' (Not in anyway approving stereotyping but as it stands you can't take reality and not call a person out of character for themselves, which is a point I'm trying to get at) Shoot people and things all the time...

Complaining OOC for this stuff simply will not persuade me against him as I do not know exactly how Ichbin's character's mind works. My characters may be somewhat perceptive and understanding but they aren't trained psychologists. Neither am I, if I did take it OOC... I mean, heck, people as have in this topic, can tell people to look up the behavioral patterns of psychopaths to compare to their characters. Well... I can safely say that 99.999% of the people in this planet do not know anything about this. A large percentage of the population are not literate, much less take an interest in a relatively obscure subject. Applying this IC, well using a mindset that would be 500-1000 years ago, in some places, amplify the common myths and paranoia of men who are as vicious as demons, warlords who eat the hearts of those they slay and those who are the devil with the fact that in D&D these are REAL... Tell me, who IC would think it strange that an evil wizard, in the wilderness, who knew he was stronger then those he preyed upon, slaughtered and took the blood as travelers. (In the case of him killing my Kashia character)

However I do really like the discussion and I think I'l use the forum more.

Sure, there are people who go around shooting people.. But you see, they aren't revived by their gods or magic every single time they die, and they end up dying, and they don't come back.

[Soulbadguy]

I think the point that WE are trying to get across is not just asking for a PVP consent.. but even stating it.


You have a Character who kills.. who kills for pleasure..fine.

You face consequences.

Ven.. I know what your saying but guess what.. a cleric of bane.. goblins.. they die.. they die for good.


Ich should of been dead.. long ago.. dead for good. That character is known as a murderer and assaulter.

Remember people... Your character's actions will have an effect on your character's life in this server.

If you wanna play a murderous character then fine.. so be it. What it will do is cause your character to die (permanently).. NOT because we are being spiteful (usually ) but because that is whats going to happen to murderous characters.


The reason GBX despises these types of characters is because they have no long lasting life in a persistant world. You cannot last that long with dozens of heros at your throats. Its that simple and we urge players to have a character that they can love and keep to help build a strong story in our world. Everyone should have fun.



PVP:

Ich should at least.... at least... tell people in their tells.. " Hey I'm going to attack you because my character is evil like that and blah blah blah" but that didn't even happen.


As Roleplayers we should allow fun for others.. and if someone says in a tell for example

" Hey im hiding in the shadows and we both know you can't see me.. im going to stab you in the back and attempt to kill you"

you as roleplayer should accept your fate and say.. " Okay I'll just RP accordingly.." not say.. " Okay" *buffs with potions and/or spells* or.. *thinks something is gonna happen and runs off*


I had a character.. Maia.. come out of the bushes and take my character Iara by the arm and held her in place. I let this happen because I wanted to see what would happen .. yeah. I could of tried to spot her or tried to somehow role strength checks and get away..but why??? why in the hell would I wanna do that??? This is going to be fun and it gives the opportunity for another character to have the best of yours.


I don't agree with murderous.. heartless characters myself because they have no life here or any other world .. as I said.. they don't last long cause they are going to get found out.. unless they plan ahead.

Seriously.. i don't mind PVP at.. I like it in some senses.. i think it causes some good conflict. But.. it needs to be done where people can have fun and is why we have these rules.

If you kill an effortless.. why PVP them?? Why don't you just say.. " Hey my character can whoop 5 of you in a heartbeat.. lets just RP it out instead of me just beating your ass"

If you wanna play something Chaotic Evil... make your murders.. planned... plan them out and give a reason why... Even the murderous drow plan ahead of their kills and they are one of the most vicious races out there.

Don't be a goblin chaotic evil.. be a... uh... smarter chaotic evil.. rise above the rest of the simple heartless killers out there. Show me some RP skills... there are way better Rp'rs out there than I and I favor evil characters more than good because when someone makes a good evil character.. it takes patience and time.

Please.. everyone.. just think about the imagination behind your character and what fun you can with conflicts. That is all we ask.

[Grigori]

It's called personal gratification and attention deprivation... Which would also explain the actions of his character and the attempts to play it off as IC action. *shrug*

The only thing I do not understand in this thread is.

Why are you asking other people if he should be permanently dead?

The decision to permakill your own character should be your own decision, provided you aren't doing anything drastically retarded. ( Then it becomes our decision too. )

[Acheron77]

I really don't care, so I voted "Yes kill him" because I want to see him die in a spectacular way.
Go out with a bang, it's what I would do.

[OzmaDarkheart]

I just hate you Ichbin....that's why we're friends!

[RynebowBright]

Whatever the reasoning behind the killing might be (OOC or IC), murdering random low level PC's should be avoided, since it has the potential the ruin the entire reputation of the Sundren PW.

"So, you checked out Sundren yet?"
"Yeah, it's screwed, I'd been there like, 5 minutes when this griefer comes up and kills me and these guys I was just roleplaying with. Nothing was wrong that, appearantly."
"Oh. Well I don't think I'll be visiting anytime soon, then."

I don't really think anything else needs to be said, it's about ooc courtesy and respect, you don't just kill people like that.

Bingo. That is exactly it. It's all about mutual enjoyment, and who enjoys getting killed by some random guy when they are minding their own business. Is it real? Maybe, maybe not. Sure, you can get killed or beat up for no reason in the real world, but that doesn't make it fun. Real is not always equal to fun in a fantasy game. But total fantasy isn't always equal to fun, either.

If you want a server that doesn't care if you PK, then find a server that doesn't care if you PK. Easy as that.

[Ralek]

Whatever the reasoning behind the killing might be (OOC or IC), murdering random low level PC's should be avoided, since it has the potential the ruin the entire reputation of the Sundren PW.

"So, you checked out Sundren yet?"
"Yeah, it's screwed, I'd been there like, 5 minutes when this griefer comes up and kills me and these guys I was just roleplaying with. Nothing was wrong that, appearantly."
"Oh. Well I don't think I'll be visiting anytime soon, then."

I don't really think anything else needs to be said, it's about ooc courtesy and respect, you don't just kill people like that.

[Ven The Jen]

I do not think this is the same situation. Also... the big difference is the Clerics of Bane and the goblins are not level 9.

*he shrugs* IC reactions to IC actions. It just looked like people were killed for no good reason.

So you're saying evil people should not take advantage of other peoples weakness?

Urm, nice sentiment and all but if I go outside there're people who will beat you up for looking at them wrong. Fact. So if I took those people into a place where there's no punishment for murder, lawless land, gave them magic that could probably take down a small group of soldiers (Modern day, though mostly because they'd be busy laughing when he starts waving his arms about and chanting and screaming when screaming when tentacles rip from the floor to disembowel them) they would SO not kill or severely injure anyone.

You get people doing it all the time in other countries (I live in england. Four people shot dead within a month or so made national news papers so as far as I'm aware it's uncommon here...) People who buy guns and go sick with the ability to take life. Stereotype american 'hillbillies' and 'gangstas' (Not in anyway approving stereotyping but as it stands you can't take reality and not call a person out of character for themselves, which is a point I'm trying to get at) Shoot people and things all the time...

Complaining OOC for this stuff simply will not persuade me against him as I do not know exactly how Ichbin's character's mind works. My characters may be somewhat perceptive and understanding but they aren't trained psychologists. Neither am I, if I did take it OOC... I mean, heck, people as have in this topic, can tell people to look up the behavioral patterns of psychopaths to compare to their characters. Well... I can safely say that 99.999% of the people in this planet do not know anything about this. A large percentage of the population are not literate, much less take an interest in a relatively obscure subject. Applying this IC, well using a mindset that would be 500-1000 years ago, in some places, amplify the common myths and paranoia of men who are as vicious as demons, warlords who eat the hearts of those they slay and those who are the devil with the fact that in D&D these are REAL... Tell me, who IC would think it strange that an evil wizard, in the wilderness, who knew he was stronger then those he preyed upon, slaughtered and took the blood as travelers. (In the case of him killing my Kashia character)

However I do really like the discussion and I think I'l use the forum more.

[Satoshi]

Honestly, if my duergar ever thought he had a chance of taking down a lone traveller, he'd have several scrolls prepared to protect himself, probably drop a 'sleep' spell on the victim so they wouldn't know who attacked them, and try to Coup De Grace the bastard before they even have a chance. Coincidentally, this is the same style he uses when hunting other types of humans or humanoids- bandits, goblins, dwaves, humans. Sadly, elves are immune to sleep. ;.;

I've also been the point of internal betrayal before. The player knew it was coming, though, and it was actually very fun- I told him I was going to 'cast some spells' on him. He saved against the darker effects, but my true strike hideous blow out of nowhere still set the battle in my advantage.

Case in point- I'll probably give some sort of OOC warning, even though I don't think it should be an absolute necessary (we're in a world where anyone can betray you, not just drow and duergar). How we react to that IC, not OOC, is what matters. IC actions should not be a basis for out of character conflict. I've had PnP games where characters attack other characters without warning. It happens, especially with NE and CE characters who are looking to make a little extra gold off of your equipment/soul/organs.

[Kaldaris]

The only thing I do not understand in this thread is.

Why are you asking other people if he should be permanently dead?

The decision to permakill your own character should be your own decision, provided you aren't doing anything drastically retarded. ( Then it becomes our decision too. )

[InquisitorFury]

I do not think this is the same situation. Also... the big difference is the Clerics of Bane and the goblins are not level 9.

*he shrugs* IC reactions to IC actions. It just looked like people were killed for no good reason.

[Ven The Jen]

In this instant (I watched). It was simply two level 3's fighting mobs and in comes giant tentacle spell, killing them. Then the assaulter leaves.

.... Whats the rp in that?

Infact, I have been on my Fighter and I had Ichbin come out of no where and cast this spell on me, then run. When my character chased him down and he realised he was gonna die he put on the OOC waterworks, saying it was an accedent etc. Now I have been witnessing the same "accidents" being inflicted on other characters and frankly I smell bullshit.

Thumbs down, off with his head.

I was the victim for that. If it's when I think, I didn't mind. I got warning beforehand. What's the deal? You don't complain when the clerics of Bane attack you. Why is a player any different? They're both evilish humans. Do the clerics of Bane ask for permission and type you out a good long RP reason before hand?

Oh - if Mr. DM's make me sick reply was directed at me congratulating Ichbin's character well, yeah sure. Every major evil in the world could do that. Aint they a bit above me though? Aren't most of the major evils self contained in research, plotting, ruling or otherwise indisposed? I can't think of a reason that they would come to me and kill me on the spot. I can think of reasons why a character would. Heck, I just cleaved through several humans to get there. Why stop and give it thought when a player attacks me?

He--ll... The first time he attacked my druid was basically...
Ichbin: *He approaches*
Vaneniel: *IC rude to his character*
Ichbin: *Feelings are mutual*
Vaneniel: *Threaten*
Ichbin: *Double threaten! Magical spookyness*
Vaneniel: *Insult some more*
Ichbin: *Attack! Wolves and Spells!*
Vaneniel: *More wolves and spells - with weapons!*
Ichbin: *Dies*
Vaneniel: *Kicks body a few times and leaves*

Incase the vomity comment was directed at me, niiiice... I don't say things for no reason and I am a roleplayer. Unfortunently, incase anyone could have taken that the wrong way, I'll just say, I look at situation in character. As such I do not treat NPCs and PCs differently. When I get attacked by one and killed - HEY UP - I don't go OMG lamer...
If someone beat me up in a back alley the last thing I would think is, GOD he can't RP!
I just killed people, goblins and cultists, to get here. They attack on sight. What's unusual about another one? Ichbin's playing style arguably (And I argue over it IC) has more validity in this world then all those paladins I've seen murder, stab in the back and lead people to battle and loot the bodies after.

[CrimsonTears]

One of my first experiences as a new player to Sundren was a situation exactly like this. Unfortunately, it did leave me with a very bitter feeling. I wish warnings had been required when that situation occurred, but alas.

Conflict is a vital part of stories, but killing someone is not always a vital part of conflict.

Just don't let something stupid like that make you leave or the like

[GodBeastX]

One of my first experiences as a new player to Sundren was a situation exactly like this. Unfortunately, it did leave me with a very bitter feeling. I wish warnings had been required when that situation occurred, but alas.

Conflict is a vital part of stories, but killing someone is not always a vital part of conflict.

That's what we're trying to slam into people's heads. Exactly what you're saying.

I remember a joke on a TV show where they went into the "Worst Bar in the city". In the background some guy yells out "What do you mean thank you?!?!" And beats another guy's face in. As retarded as that is, that's how some people act on Sundren. I'm only sad I don't always be on as a DM in the spot where it happens