Should Ichbin Perma Die!?

[Anks]

I have heard of that happening But As stated before. I need another option, I dont want him to leave the server. That would be rude

[InquisitorFury]

In this instant (I watched). It was simply two level 3's fighting mobs and in comes giant tentacle spell, killing them. Then the assaulter leaves.

.... Whats the rp in that?

Infact, I have been on my Fighter and I had Ichbin come out of no where and cast this spell on me, then run. When my character chased him down and he realised he was gonna die he put on the OOC waterworks, saying it was an accedent etc. Now I have been witnessing the same "accidents" being inflicted on other characters and frankly I smell bullshit.

Thumbs down, off with his head.

[VanillaRose]

That is fair enough when done right. Most of the time, tho, the case is more like:

Low level: "Why should I do X because you're telling me? Leave me be."
High level: "You dare disobey me? Die!"

People talk about "realism" and the like. Well, how "realistic" it is to go murdering people in cold blood because they said something you don't like? Give a punch to the face, grab their neck and squeeze, do what real people would do when mad. Murdering someone because they talked back to you is as stupid and "senseless PKg" as doing it without a reason.

One of my first experiences as a new player to Sundren was a situation exactly like this. Unfortunately, it did leave me with a very bitter feeling. I wish warnings had been required when that situation occurred, but alas.

Conflict is a vital part of stories, but killing someone is not always a vital part of conflict.

[Anks]

Is there a I dont care Option, The last option dosent really suit what I need

[Vichtor]

Popping in and killing someone with no alert is against server rules period. End of discussion. If someone metagames it, take a screenshot of their buffing, pass to help forums, and they'll likely lose XP.

If IC stuff leads up to the killing, obviously the person saw it coming since they drew you into the conflict.

Do like I do. Let them buff while you walk away (while keeping them hostile). Leave them Hostile while you take a stroll around the world, then hunt them down a half-hour or more later, and slaughter them. Let them sweat it. If they log...fine...wait. If they get people to help them...perfect...wait.

Patience, discipline. These are the trademarks that seperate a true Killer from a murderer.

[thorandike]

A well-played evil character can provide fun for others, while a not-as-well-played evil PC will just cause others grief. I have no idea which one Ichbin (the character) is and I am not starting that debate here...

The question is just for Ichbin (the player) to consider - is he getting enjoyment from the character and are his interactions with other players fun for them both? If so, then I see no reason for him to kill off the character. A well-played evil character can be a nice contrast to all the good-alligned ones - but they are not easy to play.

[valenator]

-ALL- PVP must have a reason. And to expand upon this, all PVP must have a warning IC or OOC. OOC warnings are -not- to be acted upon IC. The reason is for validation of RP intent. Why the warnings? To validate intent of RP reason. I recommend you screenshot your warnings in case disputes occur. Disputes should not occur if people understand the rules. You are not allowed to tell someone they can't attack if they give proper warning.

I want people to know they have a possibility of being attacked -before- they are attacked. If you attack someone THEN rp or warn, you broke the rules, clear and simple.

It's a little redundant, given what's been written before, but this is the exact rule. If you're going to kill someone, he or she must be informed of it one way or another. I've never been one to get my jollies from randomly killing other people's PC's, but meh.

Permadeath pwns.

[CrimsonTears]

If there is in character hapopennings, like enraging the armed man(or woman) there should be no reason to ask permission to kill, ooc warnings or asking ooc permission seems...

That is fair enough when done right. Most of the time, tho, the case is more like:

Low level: "Why should I do X because you're telling me? Leave me be."
High level: "You dare disobey me? Die!"

People talk about "realism" and the like. Well, how "realistic" it is to go murdering people in cold blood because they said something you don't like? Give a punch to the face, grab their neck and squeeze, do what real people would do when mad. Murdering someone because they talked back to you is as stupid and "senseless PKg" as doing it without a reason.

[GodBeastX]

Characters like these are symptoms of a problem I call "Playing against the server instead of with the server".

"He's going to metagame!"

How do you know? Hmmm? You don't, so obviously you have an OOC stand-offish opinion before the person has even done anything wrong. This is a community of players, this isn't WoW. You're all in the same bucket of toys and should be playing together. Some days you're the cops and some days you're the robbers, but in the end we should all be cool with each other.


All this BS with attitudes towards people who've done nothing to get it just because somewhere down the line some guy metagamed and rubbed you wrong doesn't warrant the treatment of the person you're going to impose your need to kill on.

Statements like "Finally someone has the balls to kill someone!" Make me vomit. I could honestly make all the evils in Sundren just come down on these PCs and wipe them out, but that wouldn't be "Fair" would it? So why should you all be treating other PC's that way? We extended curtesies to you by allowing build up to attacks, and villains, dropping small hints and spoilers, letting you get ready to confront and then finally having a chance at victory, but you guys go to others and say "I'm more powerful, you have no chance, but I don't give a shit, die!"

Screw that, it's childish. I don't think I'd even make an murdering psycho and not ask someone "You mind if I RP out murdering your char? I'm looking for some victims to get some story going for this pc. It won't be a permadeath or anything." I see people even agreeing to be slaves for Drow which is much worse than being a victim of a raving lunatic.

Seriously, knock this junk off.

[Sathayorn]

If there is in character hapopennings, like enraging the armed man(or woman) there should be no reason to ask permission to kill, ooc warnings or asking ooc permission seems... ooc, though, killing someone whom you have not seen before, whom you have not been hired to kill, I agree is unacceptable without their consent.

For the record! Everyone has my consent for PVP!

[GodBeastX]

only because someone said "do you send a tell asking permission" I am going to say no! he should live!

*sends a tell, asking permission to kill you*
*you metagame like a little shit and buff and prepare*

If any of you give any of my characters a reason to want to kill you, you'll be half dead before you can type, period. Combat isnt all like the spawns you can prepare for.

Popping in and killing someone with no alert is against server rules period. End of discussion. If someone metagames it, take a screenshot of their buffing, pass to help forums, and they'll likely lose XP.

If IC stuff leads up to the killing, obviously the person saw it coming since they drew you into the conflict.

[GodBeastX]

There is absolutely no reason to kill a level 3 who is a common race and been on the server for 5 seconds with 0 xp cuz he hasn't even grinded. Especially without notice to the person or even giving a reason OOC'ly.

End of discussion about that.

"But GodBeastX! I'm a psycho murderer who doesn't care who he kills! I should be allowed to RP that out!"

Seriously? It's a dumb character concept if you're just an axe murderer without reasons for it who pops in, kills, and takes off. Maybe some people should read up on the psychology involved with such people. You might be surprised by what you find. I'd say very few murders who murder for murder's sake (not to rob) don't interact with their victims before they kill them, and there's reasons for that.

[Neith]

only because someone said "do you send a tell asking permission" I am going to say no! he should live!

*sends a tell, asking permission to kill you*
*you metagame like a little shit and buff and prepare*

I thought this was a roleplaying server? >_> Someone metagames, you report the guy, and he either gets a warning or the almighty boot. Thing is, the attacker prepares himself for combat, and the victim doesn't. That isn't fair at all. The fact that most reasons are half-assed, such as "My race hates j00!", isn't helping, at all.

[Gurkak]

That's true. I simply said there had to be RP, not that the dead party had to know the details. The case with this PC in particular is that it happens over and over, even with brand new PCs that he has not had time to be hired to kill as he is the FIRST PC to meet them.

Say hello to Chaotic Evil. Work it out IC and hunt him down. Chase him off, honestly.. Chaotic Evil should be able to be Chaotic Evil but it's a given such characters have a very short life span.

No reason to be bother by it, just take care of the psychotic if that's what your character would do.

Honestly, DMs don't need to police such there are enough good-aligned morale characters and even lawful neutral to want and flatten this guy. Heck, even lawful evil would..


Any way, we're off topic heh..

[Sathayorn]

only because someone said "do you send a tell asking permission" I am going to say no! he should live!

*sends a tell, asking permission to kill you*
*you metagame like a little shit and buff and prepare*

If any of you give any of my characters a reason to want to kill you, you'll be half dead before you can type, period. Combat isnt all like the spawns you can prepare for.