A Reminder

[Catastrophe]

ftfy.

So says mister grumpy frumpy paladin pants here.

[Mournas]

So says mister grumpy frumpy paladin pants here.

Its Mister Smiteypants!

[Redjack]

Can somebody help me? How do you RP a character with a intelligence of 24 if the player is only ~12?

[Standur]

Can somebody help me? How do you RP a character with a intelligence of 24 if the player is only ~12?

You ask the DM A LOT of questions so you can get things correct.

[Root]

I think the reason for the lack of RPing certain negative stats is the fact that some of these stats are completely pushed to the side in events/in general.

This is the way things should be, at least IMO.

I DM'ed on another server and nothing annoyed me more than PC's that Rollplayed over Roleplayed. Best example, I had two PC's searching a room. One of them started looking around, checking floorboards, etc. The other one just stood there and rolled Search, Spot, Lore, Spellcraft, Intelligence.

Things should go as they do in DnD. The players do things, and the DM gives them rolls to do to determine success. Not the players spam every kind of vaguely applicable roll until the DM tells them what the puzzle solution is.

That isn't to say rolls should never be used. Order should go PC does action requiring roll > appropriate roll used, often in secret by the DM > success/failure determined.

[[DM] Grinning Death]

I agree, Root. But what I was pointing out was the general behavior of PC's, not the specific instances of DM events. When the DM's aren't watching, our hope is that you don't suddenly turn your 8 CHA 8 INT orc into an attractive, intelligent speaker.

Stats have their place in determining the limitations of a PC.

[Valor]

i would like to note that CHA doesnt consists only of visible beauty but also of social empathy, social habbits and social adaptability. Also it involves strength of you inner I, how strong your presence is etc. You can have Cha 6 human that is kinda good looking, but is grumpy, doesnt wash often, swear, and lacks social empathy.

[roguethree]

You can have Cha 6 human that is kinda good looking, but is grumpy, doesnt wash often, swear, and lacks social empathy.

That's like saying you can have a STR 6 human who can only bench press 75 pounds but can mule like his life depended on it. If you want a positive attribute, you need a positive score.

[Standur]

You can have Cha 6 human that is kinda good looking, but is grumpy, doesnt wash often, swear, and lacks social empathy.

That's like saying you can have a STR 6 human who can only bench press 75 pounds but can mule like his life depended on it. If you want a positive attribute, you need a positive score.

I get what Valor is saying although at a 6 your momma probably slapped you everyday for coming out that ugly. I could see the following though:

9 = being mildly attractive to plain but your physical features are overridden by a lack of personality, bad hygine and a general lack of ettiqutte or something so overt it can't be ignored.

8= being plain at best and your physical features are overridden by a lack of personality, bad hygine and a general lack of ettiqutte or something so overt it can't be ignored.

7 = You are ugly and/or scarred. You know it, your momma knows it and everyone else should too. Oh yeah, you forgot your bath again too.

I have seen some physically attractive people in real life that once they open their mouth it just doesn't matter anymore.

[Kaizen]

I have seen some physically attractive people in real life that once they open their mouth it just doesn't matter anymore.

I believe the point R3 is trying to make, and one I agree with - and correct me if I'm wrong, bud - is that if your character has it, you as a player, can choose to take away for the sake of what you want your PC to be.

If you don't have it, then you can't give it.

Think of your attribute points as an art project. The more points you have, the more tools and resources you can work with - you, as the artist, can choose to omit some things for the sake of a unique and individual story.

The less points you have, the less you can work with; and so you find yourself unable to add much - if anything at all.

It's the reason for the character sheet in the first place - checks and balances.

We shouldn't pretend that my Favored Soul with 8 wisdom can't distinguish an Aasimar paladin from an Orc barbarian at 50 yards and can only hear the artillery strike if it hits a munitions depot, but yet can somehow manage the otherworldy introspection of Buddha and offer great psychiatric and extrospective advice to the jaded and guilted soldier.

And my rogue with 8 charisma doesn't just have a caustic personality and horrible social graces - he also played in traffic as a child. If I want him to be the suave and good looking dickhead archtype that introduces all the Sunite ladies to a life of debauchery outside their cushy velvet walls; well, I think I'll shift some points into charisma.

And I am super awesome.

[Standur]

I believe the point R3 is trying to make, and one I agree with - and correct me if I'm wrong, bud - is that if your character has it, you as a player, can choose to take away for the sake of what you want your PC to be.

If you don't have it, then you can't give it.

Think of your attribute points as an art project. The more points you have, the more tools and resources you can work with - you, as the artist, can choose to omit some things for the sake of a unique and individual story.

The less points you have, the less you can work with; and so you find yourself unable to add much - if anything at all.

It's the reason for the character sheet in the first place - checks and balances.

We shouldn't pretend that my Favored Soul with 8 wisdom can't distinguish an Aasimar paladin from an Orc barbarian at 50 yards and can only hear the artillery strike if it hits a munitions depot, but yet can somehow manage the otherworldy introspection of Buddha and offer great psychiatric and extrospective advice to the jaded and guilted soldier.

And my rogue with 8 charisma doesn't just have a caustic personality and horrible social graces - he also played in traffic as a child. If I want him to be the suave and good looking dickhead archtype that introduces all the Sunite ladies to a life of debauchery outside their cushy velvet walls; well, I think I'll shift some points into charisma.

And I am super awesome.

If he plays in traffic I hope you gave him a low wisdom score too.

[roguethree]

And I am super awesome.

Nwilmen and I humbly request your presence in the contiguous United States of America to discuss the quoted material above.

[Kaizen]

And I am super awesome.

Nwilmen and I humbly request your presence in the contiguous United States of America to discuss the quoted material above.

My awesomeness... is natural. Effortless.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that it is self evident.

On another note, I'm about 100% sure that a DM by the name of Grinning Death edited that in after the fact.

Which only goes to prove the self evidence of my grandoise awesomness.

... as if it needed proving, anyways.

Being self evident and all.

I'm sorry, what was the topic again?

Oh right, I'm the epitome and living representation of all things awesome.

In fact, if you looked in a dictionary and looked up the word 'awesome', you'd find the defintion.

Of which I incorrigibly fit.

'Cause I am one awesome dude.

[Kaizen]

If he plays in traffic I hope you gave him a low wisdom score too.

Either you missed the point/metaphor, or I missed the troll. Either way, I don't really have a rogue with eight charisma. Or a favored soul with eight wisdom.

[Doubtful]

A CHA of 6 doesn't get you anywhere close to attractive. A CHA of 10 might just about cut a reasonably attractive but socially brain numbing person.

6 is going to be the kind of face people cross the street to avoid, makes small children cry and who sunites recommend a fashionable full face covering or complete darkness.

Personality wise a short conversation with a 6 would probably leave you feeling dirty and creeped out.

In modern times they could easily audition for deformed sex offender of the month on Law and Order: SVU.

6 isn't going to be easily fixed by having a shower and shutting up.