A Reminder

[Redjack]

And here is the proof of Kaizens awesomeness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9jRD...eature=related

My awesomeness... is natural. Effortless.

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that it is self evident.

On another note, I'm about 100% sure that a DM by the name of Grinning Death edited that in after the fact.

Which only goes to prove the self evidence of my grandoise awesomness.

... as if it needed proving, anyways.

Being self evident and all.

I'm sorry, what was the topic again?

Oh right, I'm the epitome and living representation of all things awesome.

In fact, if you looked in a dictionary and looked up the word 'awesome', you'd find the defintion.

Of which I incorrigibly fit.

'Cause I am one awesome dude.

[Thief Of Navarre]

A CHA of 6 doesn't get you anywhere close to attractive. A CHA of 10 might just about cut a reasonably attractive but socially brain numbing person.

6 is going to be the kind of face people cross the street to avoid, makes small children cry and who sunites recommend a fashionable full face covering or complete darkness.

Personality wise a short conversation with a 6 would probably leave you feeling dirty and creeped out.

In modern times they could easily audition for deformed sex offender of the month on Law and Order: SVU.

6 isn't going to be easily fixed by having a shower and shutting up.

Personal attractiveness is only one part though as im sure your aware. My ex was pretty damn hot to be fair ~ If I was to face her again in conversation I might just have to end my life with a timed IED. There are people in life who look like shit but talk a good shag; others look like brad pitt and do it like a snake with its fangs torn out..
Just look at popular celebrity culture and you'll find a slew of each by which to rate your charisma score

Joker from DC's 'Batman' and V from 'V for Vendetta' both spring to mind as litterary characters who may well have been ungodly ugly but still command a fair amount of attention with their strong personaility and sense of the theatrical.

[roguethree]

Ugly people with high CHA doesn't validate pretty people with low CHA.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Ugly people with high CHA doesn't validate pretty people with low CHA.

Hah. You found the flaw in my argument. Well done!

[Kaybrie]

*Snarks at all the 'dainty' ladies with 16 strength*

[Catastrophe]

*Snarks at all the 'dainty' ladies with 16 strength*

I have no idea what you are referring to!

[Shedboy]

A CHA of 6 doesn't get you anywhere close to attractive. A CHA of 10 might just about cut a reasonably attractive but socially brain numbing person.

6 is going to be the kind of face people cross the street to avoid, makes small children cry and who sunites recommend a fashionable full face covering or complete darkness.

Personality wise a short conversation with a 6 would probably leave you feeling dirty and creeped out.

In modern times they could easily audition for deformed sex offender of the month on Law and Order: SVU.

6 isn't going to be easily fixed by having a shower and shutting up.

Not bad doubtful, check this out: http://jovialpriest.blogspot.com/201...ayable_04.html

Anything 1 standard deviations from the mean is usally considered outside of what is normal ability. In this case it was found to be a stat of <6.5. Likewise stats higher than avearge are >13.5.

Anything in between could be considered within general tolerable limits for most folk.

I do dont think CHA should represent physical attractiveness. Sure it could give a positive or negative reaction adjustment (e.g. the very comely female gets teh evils form the ugly girls etc) .

Physical appearance is totally up to the needs of the player. Can you imagine .. a Cha 18 dwarven female with a full beard. just imagine the possibility of Dwarven beard Lingerie to make the fabulous fantabulous.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Not bad doubtful, check this out: http://jovialpriest.blogspot.com/201...ayable_04.html

Anything 1 standard deviations from the mean is usally considered outside of what is normal ability. In this case it was found to be a stat of <6.5. Likewise stats higher than avearge are >13.5.

Anything in between could be considered within general tolerable limits for most folk.

I do dont think CHA should represent physical attractiveness. Sure it could give a positive or negative reaction adjustment (e.g. the very comely female gets teh evils form the ugly girls etc) .

Physical appearance is totally up to the needs of the player. Can you imagine .. a Cha 18 dwarven female with a full beard. just imagine the possibility of Dwarven beard Lingerie to make the fabulous fantabulous.

Thats an odd picture to paint. Yet I find myself warming to the idea of dwarven bearded women....

[Doubtful]

A negative CHA score results in negative reactions from pretty much everyone your character meets, ranging from slight through to severe. Maybe people find your character a little awkward, oily, weird, unblinking, strange, plain unpleasant (but not in a threatening way, that would imply a bonus to intimidate) or maybe they just ooze 'victim' or have the kind of face people don't get tired of punching.

All negative things as befits negative scores. Attractive, good looking, charming. They're positive attributes and need positive Attribute scores.

Being 'good looking but surly, scruffy and smelly' is pretty pathetic, it's like your character's just waiting for the highschool jock/cheerleader to take them out on a date as part of a bet. You'll resist at first of course, but you'll both slowly fall in love. Of course you'll be heartbroken when, on the night before the big dungeon crawl, you find out it was just a bet! Then (s)he'll have to chase you down and say that they really do love you, and after giving you a bath, haircut and getting rid of those bracers and horrible specs everyone can finally see you really did have a positive CHA modifier after all.

You make me sick.

[Thief Of Navarre]

A negative CHA score results in negative reactions from pretty much everyone your character meets, ranging from slight through to severe. Maybe people find your character a little awkward, oily, weird, unblinking, strange, plain unpleasant (but not in a threatening way, that would imply a bonus to intimidate) or maybe they just ooze 'victim' or have the kind of face people don't get tired of punching.

All negative things as befits negative scores. Attractive, good looking, charming. They're positive attributes and need positive Attribute scores.

Being 'good looking but surly, scruffy and smelly' is pretty pathetic, it's like your character's just waiting for the highschool jock/cheerleader to take them out on a date as part of a bet. You'll resist at first of course, but you'll both slowly fall in love. Of course you'll be heartbroken when, on the night before the big dungeon crawl, you find out it was just a bet! Then (s)he'll have to chase you down and say that they really do love you, and after giving you a bath, haircut and getting rid of those bracers and horrible specs everyone can finally see you really did have a positive CHA modifier after all.

You make me sick.

Do I detect some highschool bitterness? I prefer to stick with ugly as sin with a high cha ~ easier that way!

[Doubtful]

Do I detect some highschool bitterness? I prefer to stick with ugly as sin with a high cha ~ easier that way!

An ex of mine was addicted to the various Taming of the Shrew style films that seem to POP up with depressing frequency. Having to watch so many has left scars.

[roguethree]

All negative things as befits negative scores. Attractive, good looking, charming. They're positive attributes and need positive Attribute scores.

It's like we were meant to be together. Just let me get these braces removed . . .

[Satoshi]

I'm pretty sure that anyone that met Eirimil who wasn't a sun elf (and half of the people who were sun elves) immediately understood why he had a charisma of 8. Charisma is a really subjective thing - it's like if you slammed Intelligence and Wisdom together and called it 'Perception' or 'Knowledge'.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Honey Badgers are cute. Still doesnt stop them from rearranging your balls. Question is; does he have a high charisma or a low one?

On the one hand - Cute
On the other hand - Dont care/mean as fuck!

Regardless its probably a good thing they dont have them in australia.

[blurry89]

Bumped, for Nyssis.

You're looking for page eight, near the middle.