Reputation Amounts

[cmosier]

Tell me why that's a bad thing? If you are RPing buddies and part of a faction, doesn't that give you popularity in the faction that more people in the faction like you as a favorite?

There's a big air of "Everyone should be treated equally" which I can agree with to a degree, but what about the people who go out of their way to BECOME favorites in a faction of players, shouldn't they get rewarded and earn it more than someone who sticks to the shadows and doesn't seem like he's doing much for the faction?

All, in all, the only thing I don't want is the time involved to be meaningless. Rep was very-much meant to be an end-game goal, something to strive for beyond reaching level 20.

It's not necessarily a bad thing and your points are valid. It's going to take a damn good player to understand a few things though. They have to try and make time for Characters who can't be on that much due to real life reasons.

I do this with Laurana, she's not on that much (probably because the player has shit to do) and when she is, she'll get Rep. Her character is gruff but her loyalty to Byrun and the Blackwood are incredible.

So, I suppose what I'm saying is, in and of itself, it's not a bad thing. Now that I think of it, PCs can actually fix this problem themselves by leaving the Faction. Sometimes that's a real shitty option, though.

[Grand Unified Theory]

It's going to take a damn good player to understand a few things though. They have to try and make time for Characters who can't be on that much due to real life reasons.

Don't get me wrong, cmosier, I'm in the same boat as you when it comes to not being able to play much due to RL such and such, but.. the first thought I had when I read that was.. "Isn't that our problem, and not theirs?" I wouldn't expect anyone else, regardless of being part of my faction or not, to tailor their play time around me simply because I can't log in at opportune times. Isn't that what the forum is for? (If I'm understanding you correctly?)


I try my best to stay involved, coming up with interesting little schemes and ideas that can influence things for my faction rather than concerning myself over individual reputation points. The points are just a number. The respect, friendship, and willingness to be involved in each other's plots of your fellow players beat out any quantitized digit any day.

[Jhickey]

I try my best to stay involved, coming up with interesting little schemes and ideas that can influence things for my faction rather than concerning myself over individual reputation points. The points are just a number. The respect, friendship, and willingness to be involved in each other's plots of your fellow players beat out any quantitized digit any day.

Well stated. Even though I am not the greatest of RPers, I always love the little moments when I can interact or help others on their plot lines. If it is a major or even a minor roll, or I happened to say the right thing at the right time. It is all I relative fun, and the rep with the other players comes along with those interactions.

[cmosier]

At GUT: I was actually speaking from the stand point of a Faction Leader. I like try a reward those who are good, or at least what I perceive as good, role players. I don't want to punish people for having a life, just because I don't always have a lot to do. Most "some times" players are cool about it. I just like to let them know, for what it's worth, I appreciate the RP. :-)

[Grand Unified Theory]

Oh, okay. I did misunderstand you then; I wasn't aware you were a faction leader. I get what 'ya mean, agreed.

[Elusa]

Alice is another great example, she's a non combatant, however her appointment to House Hellstrom's [Correction: Blackwood's] Conciliator position should be an ENOURMOUS rep bonus in House Hellstrom, and even a bit of a boost in other factions. It means that through RP alone without any dungeon romping at all, she managed to achieve a position of power and influence.

It really seems like carving out dungeons would be the "least" rewarding way to get rep.

Thanks for the mention. Basically, I've had to accept the fact that Alice will pretty much always be ranked lowest. I can only get rep from vouching at the moment. The events are almost always combat focused, which means Alice can't participate and therefore can't get any rep from DMs. It's not something I'm really upset over, because I expected it to be this way from the start, but it's somewhat disappointing.

My suggestions:
1) Increase vouching rep. Currently it's hardly worth bothering.
2) Provide non-combat sources of rep, e.g. crafting quests.

[GodBeastX]

How does vouching flow right now?

[ManUtd4Ever]

How does vouching flow right now?

As a senior faction member I can vouch for one faction member per day. I have ~28,700 reputation points. I think my vouches constitute 22 rep points per event.

[ManUtd4Ever]

Basically, I've had to accept the fact that Alice will pretty much always be ranked lowest...

...It's not something I'm really upset over, because I expected it to be this way from the start, but it's somewhat disappointing.

I do not know your character in game, so forgive my ignorance. What prevents your character from accompanying anyone into battle? There are plenty of military advisors who do so without ever lifting a weapon or firing a shot in anger.

I am aware of zero limitations on any character participating in any event. I shared with DM Doubt once after an event he ran that I was surprised it was "more a thinking man's game" vs. a "hack and slash." I was prepared for the hack and slash version, but woefully under prepared for the complex nature of his event.

My point... please do not be disappointed. There are plenty of opportunities for characters to get involved in their factions regardless of the melee prowess.

Cheers!

[Laurk]

Alice RPs a non combatant. So she doesn't go into dungeons or participate in combat oriented events. She can get rep from high ranking members, but the vouches are so small, that without running banners, she'll never get anywhere.

It's the same with Abby. Because I can't be in the Trimvirite because of all the Paladins who have a problem with Ilmaters' dogma of healing anyone, I'm stuck being unable to get rep either as banners are unavailable. Abby is in Alice's boat of being stuck with vouches, and vouches just don't give you enough to be relivant. I might get one or two a week, and they are only 12-20 each. It could be cool if they were worth at least as much as grinding out a banner from a dungeon.

[Lotus]

Because I can't be in the Triumvirate because of my insistence on total neutrality, which runs directly against the Triumvirate's stance on ne'er-do-wells

Fixed that for you.

[Laurk]

Exactly. Healing those who hurt "no matter who they are" is a valid and source RP position some Ilmatari take, and also a big part of Ilmatari dogma, but not one that seems to fit well within the Triumvirite and the Paladin code. In fairness though, I've only had interactions with PC Trimvirite, and they are mostly all Paladins who would have very legit problems with that philosophy. I have yet to get a chance to speak with father Melchoir, the revred father and representitive of Ilmatari's faith on the subject. Still if the final say in the Triumvirite falls to paladins instead of priests, It may just be that not all hands fit into that particular glove and to avoid being pidgeon-holed into a kind of Ilmatari who would fit better, I've got to stay outside the faction. I think this is wonderful and has made for great RP, but it does go to show that not all PCs are going to fit in factions, even though they are very broad and inclusive.

In any case, that means no banner running for Abby and very little DM granted rep, so as a PC who can only get rep from vouches, I'd like to see vouches get a bit more umph since it doesn't seem to be possible to get far in the reputation department if vouches stay so low.

Granted, PCs like Alice & Abby are not the norm by a longshot, and changing things to suite such a small minority would be a bit silly.

[Chocolate Radio]

Factions are not all-inclusive in terms of mentalities, and there is no catch-all faction on the server for those that do not apply to any of the included ones. From what I've seen, reputation values are there to record successes, rank, and loyalty to the overall scheme of a faction rather than a collection of various individuals' collective opinion on a character. Outside of what a character has roleplayed themselves to be, there is no mechanical "everyone loves me" value.

[sonuvalich]

A new faction might help that. I was thinking of trying to start one with some newbie paladin I rolled up. It would be a good/neutral faction I was going to dub the Hounds (my paladin has the track feat and worships the god of tracking...because he's odd!) and was going to be sorta a bounty hunting/sheriff's department group made up mostly of civilians and the disenfranchised. Then I thought maybe that was a lame idea.

But if some sort of group that is not inherently filled with mercenaries, religious zealots, or political factions could arise as a place for the Lost Boys and Girls, at least then there would be some faction for players who are having trouble fitting in to other factions. Something that had ideals of strength in numbers, we have to help ourselves nobody else will do it, and sanctuary for anyone who is not overtly evil or insane...kinda like the prison in Walking Dead (or Alexandria in the comics)

[thaelis]

A new faction...
....some sort of group that is not inherently filled with mercenaries, religious zealots, or political factions could arise as a place for the Lost Boys and Girls, at least then there would be some faction for players who are having trouble fitting in to other factions.

Ha, that is worryingly close to what I was thinking actually. Just a group of Good/Neutral warriors/rogues/wizards/clerics that specialise in hunting down and exterminating monsters. Basically, an Adventurer's Guild!

Was even thinking of a similar name to what you were. The Hunters. Or maybe SHIELD. Hmm, that has a nice ring to it.

It may just be that not all hands fit into that particular glove and to avoid being pidgeon-holed into a kind of Ilmatari who would fit better, I've got to stay outside the faction. I think this is wonderful and has made for great RP, but it does go to show that not all PCs are going to fit in factions, even though they are very broad and inclusive.

I think Abby's distance from the other Triumvirees is great, and has brought about some interesting RP rather than the usual "Hey! I'm holy, how 'bout u?" "Yep, pretty damn holy over here too" "Sweet".

But yeah, she has to suffer (i.e. not get faction gear) as penance for not fitting in with the cool kids. Which makes sense from a certain perspective.