Reputation Amounts

[Laurk]

So just a suggestion about Reputation. It seems like doing dungeons and return banners is the primary way of gaining reputation, by far. Case in point, If my PC was out zipping from dungeon to dungeon, racing banners up to the city, id be able to get reputation vastly more quickly than I can from meeting with powerful nobles and figures in Sundren, and doing big things from an RP standpoint.

When you do things via RP that might win you fame/rep from any given group, I find the DM might tick me 30 if at all. When a player gives you rep, you might get 12-20. Yet you can go kill some spawns and can turn in a banner and get 65 to 70 reputation points with a faction, several times a day.

To me this seems a bit backwards. I have a PC who strives to be popular with as many factions as possible, and esspecialy with commoners. However even when she impresses important movers and shakers, I might get a 20 rep boost for major diplomatic achievements. For example, last night I managed to get an abridged copy of the Medica out of Lord Baernorn Aurelianus. It took several meetings with a few prominent NPCs and PCs, including 2 lords, a lot of nerve wracking diplomacy and a lot of IG footwork to pull off. I would think that recieving such an honor from House Aurelianus would be a huge reputation bonus within that house.

I really think that you should be able to achieve "large" chunks of Reputation through accomplishing RP achievements of diplomacy/planning/out-of-combat goals. RP reputation comes so rarley that it just seems like it should be more profound and substancial than the amount you can get from dungeon running.

Alice is another great example, she's a non combatant, however her appointment to House Hellstrom's Conciliator position should be an ENOURMOUS rep bonus in House Hellstrom, and even a bit of a boost in other factions. It means that through RP alone without any dungeon romping at all, she managed to achieve a position of power and influence. That makes her an important figure who by extention, has a high reputation. However, because of this, her actions should reflect heavily not only on her, but on House Hellstrom. Great power/great responsabilty and all that. If Alice flubs and ruins relations with Hellstrom and another Noble house, her rep AND Hellstrom's rep should suffer badly.

It really seems like carving out dungeons would be the "least" rewarding way to get rep.

[Lugwy]

It seems to depend from DM to DM; Julia, at least, got rep in the hundreds for doing brosome things with a faction (she has 650 Wardens rep after about two events related with the Aurilites). Maybe someone was off a digit? At least, being able to wring enough influence to have an audience with the head of the Aurelianus household should be cause to authorise a massive dapstick.

[ManUtd4Ever]

I don't believe we need to take away the option to earn reputation points by banners so as to justify getting more reputation points via a DM.

The banners are a known and relatively-consistent quantity. They exist in hostile areas and offer a reward for those adventurers willing to represent their faction's might.

The amount of reputation points a particular player can bestow on another is directly proportional to the number of reputation points they have. Reputation points are capped at 50,000... so here too player-awarded reputations points are a known and relatively-consistent quantity.

What is not a known or relatively-consistent is how a DM awards either experience or reputation points. IMO it is far easier to send a Tell to a DM discussing the merits of your actions versus dismantling a functioning system. Who knows, the 30 reputation points you earned by your actions may have been 10 times greater than was previously given by that DM to anyone else.

Just my thoughts...

Cheers!

[Atmosphere]

I tend to give out 25-50 faction points when I feel a character is representing their faction well. 50-100 if they did something through an event that helps their faction in someway. 100-500 if they do something majorly awesome. and (rarely to never) 500-1000 if they do something epic. i'm willing to adjust this if people think it should be upped. i do agree that events and roleplay should reward better than grinding.

flag running itself is just meant to be a way for players to advance themselves within their faction because dms can't always be on. any real power within your faction will not likely be seen if all you do is flag run. make plans, rp, have fun.

there is no Hellstrom faction as far as mechanics go.
there is no Aurelianus faction as far as mechanics go.
nobles might become mechanically factioned in the future.

[OnyxTigress]

flag running itself is just meant to be a way for players to advance themselves within their faction because dms can't always be on. any real power within your faction will not likely be seen if all you do is flag run. make plans, rp, have fun.

Yeah, doing all flag runs really seems like it's just a method to get better faction gear, and doesn't seem to have much standing otherwise if you haven't actually done much.

[Ditto]

I suggest that Sundren reputation can substitute for State-allied noble houses for the time being. By the same vein, Hellstrom = Exigo. Other houses are pending good suggestible replacements.

[Chocolate Radio]

Reputation points, while a part of the server mechanics, hardly compete with personal character involvement with the faction, and it shows. Sure you can grind your way up to higher faction rankings through banner runs and (back when it was in the system) monetary donations to the faction, but from my experience it didn't really amount to much more than access to better gear and occasional use of the rank trump card. For actual politics and character involvement, what mattered more is how the character became involved, how well they performed, and the way they handled themselves with other players in the faction.

Rep points seem to be the 'crunch' aspect of faction relations, but they are often put on the back seat in relation to the 'fluff' roleplay standing. You may not have X rep points in a faction, but if you're not in a faction your typical involvement in it is through the PCs involved in it, and if you are in a faction it's more likely a superior will place more responsibility and trust in you based on what they saw you accomplished, rather than a number on your faction rep sheet.

Just my two stags.

[cmosier]

Alice is another great example, she's a non combatant, however her appointment to House Hellstrom's Conciliator position should be an ENOURMOUS rep bonus in House Hellstrom, and even a bit of a boost in other factions.

Not the point of the Thread, but, she's Blackwood, not House Hellstrom. I will clarify this in game as well tomorrow.

[Vaelek]

I don't necessarily disagree with the point of the thread, but there seems to be some misconception as to who or what has reputation to dole out. None of the noble houses are considered factions and therefor have no category to track personal gain or loss with them in terms of favor.

No matter how many nobles you meet from a single prominent house, there's no reputation to be gained with them specifically. If you cradled enough Hellstrom *bleep*, maybe, in direct correlation to that action being committed to alleviate the stressful burden of Blackwood contracts - you might gain reputation with Exigo.

[Chocolate Radio]

No matter how many nobles you meet from a single prominent house, there's no reputation to be gained with them specifically.

To add on the note, consider mechanical Rep points to be more of an actual ranking in the faction, rather than how well you are treated by the members. For a more real-world example, your local police force may have a Reputation Point value, and your uncle (another player or NPC) may be highly ranked in the police force. You, in your state, do not have any reputation points in the Police Faction yourself. However, through roleplay involvement you may have opportunity to have him talk to his senior officers to give you a bit of leniency even through you're completely unrelated to police business.

[GodBeastX]

I hate to say this after so many posts but I think either DMs hate to give it or they don't know how much to give.

Personally, I tend to give out as much Rep as I give out Exp if something pertains to a faction for activity.

And I give out exp quite often me thinks. And it's usually based on involvement and acting IC.

[Laurk]

Good info guys, thanks.

Ive been thinking of it more like LP and less like "rank points" inside factions.

[cmosier]

If you cradled enough Hellstrom *bleep*, maybe, in direct correlation to that action being committed to alleviate the stressful burden of Blackwood contracts - you might gain reputation with Exigo.

Hellstrom Rep = (bleep being cradled x length of time, in minutes, of cradling) x Variable

Bleep = Hellstrom Secret. Use 1 for base score.

Variables (choose only one)
Male = 1.5
Female = 2
Triad or Thayan Male = 2.5
Triad or Thayan Female = 3
Any Dwarf = 4
Julia = 0 (No rep will be granted for cradling)
Smart ass elven body guard = 0 (No rep will be granted for cradling)

[sonuvalich]

I always knew Byrun wanted a piece of the Sandro. And who can blame him?

I do wish the vouch amounts were maybe higher from ranking faction members, because your superiors giving a thumb's up should be a big deal. Something like 500-1000 rep, but you can only vouch for a person once every week of real time or something. This way vouching for someone becomes a little more meaningful than "hey, there's someone in my group, let me toss him some points to help him along"

It would also make vouching for people not in your faction a lot more useful, because it would take a lot of dwarves chain vouching for me to become a popular guy in Whurest, and no flags I turn in would ever get me rep with them. Maybe amend it that you can only give and get 1 vouch per week? I dunno, just spitballing

[Valhalla]

I actually like the idea of less vouches, more rep. Gives high-rep faction members who aren't online as much a chance to still impact the rep-gain of their lower tier members.