Character Wipes after beta, your thoughts?

[Kestel]

Please Dont Wipe the Vault, it's Unfair

I cant believe this is even a question

It's completely unfair to wipe the vault and destroy alll the hard work that people will have put into training their characters.

Why should we have all our hard work count for nothing just because some people joined after we did?

By that token no ones character would ever be safe because there are always going to be new people joining, and you cant keep wiping the vault so they can catch up.

It's shouldn't be a question of 'catching up' ether, people cant expect every player to be running around with the same lvl characters all at the same time.

For the sake of fairness, dont delete the vault, dont destroy the hard work we have put into training our characters, and it is alot of hours that goes into training them. This is a RP server, so earning that xp takes alot of time, it's not like some action server where even if there was a wipe you could log on and 5 minutes later have your lvl 12 character back.

Not to mention the hard earned gold and items that we would also lose from a vault wipe

[Kestel]

I really see no problem with a complete wipe. All you have to do is make your character exactly like it was before, and BAM, same friends and enemies as before.

No it's not "bam" same as before, because we're losing hard earned xp and loot and that can take alot of time to replace

[Saulus]

There was already a warning that there might possibly be a wipe. It has nothing to do with catching up but rather exploits that some people used before they were fixed, exploits that could give other people huge benefits over other players that we never intended them to have.

[Votta]

No it's not "bam" same as before, because we're losing hard earned xp and loot and that can take alot of time to replace

No offense but if you're worried about your loot, which I believe is getting wiped no matter what, then this may not be the right server you, heck this game probably isn't for you. Maybe you should switch to WoW.

Dont get me wrong I would love to keep Parn at his current level when Sundren goes live, but if I start again oh well. We are palying a beta server. We are the guinea pigs to be tested on so the Designers and DMs can bring THIER creation to life. I personally see this beta as helping them out. The fact that I get to play one of my favorite characters I've created is a bonus. After a wipe my char will still be here, he will still be the founding member of the midget medic corps(total roster now incudes 3, up from 1) and he will still love spooky caves, secrets, mysteries, cherry pies, shiny objects and his spoon. It won't matter if he is 1st level or 40th.

[GodBeastX]

I know servers where it takes literally a year or so to get level 20 because of the setup, and here we have level 7s and 8s who have a play time of 17 hours. (Yes, I check people's play time). Let's do the math, shall we?

21000 to hit level 7 I believe, divided by 17 = 1235 experience per hour.

Hmmm... I feel that's pretty high.

[Kestel]

No offense but if you're worried about your loot, which I believe is getting wiped no matter what, then this may not be the right server you, heck this game probably isn't for you. Maybe you should switch to WoW.

Dont get me wrong I would love to keep Parn at his current level when Sundren goes live, but if I start again oh well. We are palying a beta server. We are the guinea pigs to be tested on so the Designers and DMs can bring THIER creation to life. I personally see this beta as helping them out. The fact that I get to play one of my favorite characters I've created is a bonus. After a wipe my char will still be here, he will still be the founding member of the midget medic corps(total roster now incudes 3, up from 1) and he will still love spooky caves, secrets, mysteries, cherry pies, shiny objects and his spoon. It won't matter if he is 1st level or 40th.

No offence but when you pull your head out of the sand you might realise that loot/items are still a part of the game, and on a low magic RP server when you do get some items that took a long time to come by, you dont like loosing them.

For the record I couldn' care less about your pie eating midget medic who's happy to be lvl 1.

I wasn't asking your permission on weather on not I could point out the simple fact that a complete wipe is quite unfair considering it makes all the time spent training a character during this time count for nothing.

[undeadsteak]

I know servers where it takes literally a year or so to get level 20 because of the setup, and here we have level 7s and 8s who have a play time of 17 hours. (Yes, I check people's play time). Let's do the math, shall we?

21000 to hit level 7 I believe, divided by 17 = 1235 experience per hour.

Hmmm... I feel that's pretty high.

i know... some of these people are in the caves 24/7 and not going to town at all, and they miss all the roleplaying. thats 20 xp per minute? somewhere around that. i gotmy leveling easy, i suppose, because at level 6, for some reason, i was recieving 38 xp per goblin defender. I thought it had something to do with that new anti grinding system you put up, so i thought it was on purpose, but now i see im just getting 1 xp. I would like a server wipe, at the same time not like it. I guess i cant choose really..


To the post above me: Dont start a flame war, please.

[Saulus]

No offence but when you pull your head out of the sand you might realise that loot/items are still a part of the game, and on a low magic RP server when you do get some items that took a long time to come by, you dont like loosing them.

For the record I couldn' care less about your pie eating midget medic who's happy to be lvl 1.

I wasn't asking your permission on weather on not I could point out the simple fact that a complete wipe is quite unfair considering it makes all the time spent training a character during this time count for nothing.

Actually the roleplay and friends you make count for something, as well as all the bugs we find and things we fix. Without a wipe you're walking among some individuals who have gotten things they weren't supposed to or done things that could have adverse affects on the server. This is why I stated from the beginning that there was always the remote possibility of a wipe.

The fact that Sundren is beta is plastered absolutely everywhere for a reason. So people know that they need to be understanding when they run into technical problems or other issues.

[GodBeastX]

No offence but when you pull your head out of the sand you might realise that loot/items are still a part of the game, and on a low magic RP server when you do get some items that took a long time to come by, you dont like loosing them.

For the record I couldn' care less about your pie eating midget medic who's happy to be lvl 1.

I wasn't asking your permission on weather on not I could point out the simple fact that a complete wipe is quite unfair considering it makes all the time spent training a character during this time count for nothing.

Firstly, I don't expect the beta to last much longer as we're hammering out the large issues pretty quickly. So "All this time spent" feels a bit of an exxaggeration.

Second, the low item drop rate right now is an issue. It wasn't intended that magic rings be a 1 out of 10000 find. So saying "I spent forever getting this item" is only valid in the current beta state, since they will be more frequent in days to come.

Third, the items have to be wiped anyway, because of an oversight things like +5 Full Plates came into the server when they shouldn't have at all. Because items were selling regularly at 2000 coins when they were meant to be 100 - 500, players have 40,000 coins in some cases O_O.

The reason we considered the wipe isn't to punish people for the effort they put in, but it's to clean out the issues that were here originally. I can't imagine someone saying to me "Even though on day one the experience system was bugged and we were all getting 100 exp a kill unlimittedly, I deserve all of that experience because I worked very hard for it!" when if the experience was functioning correctly their first kills would be about 50 and slowly taper down to 10 / kill.

That's why we consider a wipe, to make sure every character is in line with the intent of the server. Some have been, some have not. Weeding them out is a near impossible task.

All that being said though, I don't really want to wipe levels personally. I do feel items need to be wiped though. That I will stand by.

[Ronin5576]

No offence but when you pull your head out of the sand you might realise that loot/items are still a part of the game, and on a low magic RP server when you do get some items that took a long time to come by, you dont like loosing them.

For the record I couldn' care less about your pie eating midget medic who's happy to be lvl 1.

I wasn't asking your permission on weather on not I could point out the simple fact that a complete wipe is quite unfair considering it makes all the time spent training a character during this time count for nothing.

For the record an RP server shouldn't be about "loot". If gaining items is what makes a server more fun for you then just go have fun. I quit WoW because of the focus of gaining loot, finding set pieces, power leveling, ect. An RP server should be about character development and enriching the game experience for yourself and those around you.

Now if you want to be the biggest, baddest guy out there and feel you've put in the effort to "deserve" your "loot" then I'd suggest about a dozen other servers. But, and this is just a suggestion, you might find it even more enjoyable to put in the effort to build a network of people to RP with. Plenty of other games and servers out there to play loot wars on.

I'd also like to state that in all the beta versions of games I've been on I've never seen people come out of it with all their gear let alone even their characters. Best case scenario is that the DM's throw you a bone as a thank you, worst case being you have to start from scratch. Either way those are things you just learn to accept doing a beta.

Oh and last thing, a pie eating midget medic happy at 1st level should teach you something about RP.

[Votta]

wow.


VIVA LE MIDGET MEDIC CORPS!

[Loki]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the final say of wipe or not up to the DM's? I think it's great that they're asking what we think. But honestly, it's their machine, their story line, their time, they will get final say, and rightly so.

Just to recap, wasn't Sundren brought online 2/10/07? That was less than 2 weeks ago, if 2 weeks made a character in terms of loot and items, then I probably won't be on this server long. (Not a dig on anyone, but 9 days in a Beta realm with nothing but RP, i.e. no formal quests yet.....I'd think even if you WERE only in it for shiny glowies you'd give it more than 9 days before the complaining of super uber items would start. Heck who knows what will happen when Sundren goes live. Not even the DM's at this point, becasue they've proven to be good DM's and adpated to what the players have done.)

And honestly, some of the best gaming I've ever done was in a mundane situation, with no items, because it forced people to use ALL of what their character could do instead of just the combat aspects of the game. Playing a level 1 guy is alot more fun for me at least becasue you have to think about EVERYTHING, a fight against a goblin is just as epic as a fight against a dragon.

As long as we get a heads up so I can write down my skills and feats, wipe away because I'll still be the talkative swashbuckler halfling after the wipe at lvl 1.

And yes, Cherry Pie is good, your spoon is useful, and secrets rock, but I'm not sure about the founding member of the Corps, hehehehe.

[Cha0ticGoblin]

I am for a total character wipe. Sure, I havent started a character myself yet but that is the most logical thing to do. I do understand everyones concerns when it comes to their characters, especially if they have played them for a few months, but the players also have to have consideration for the development team.

[undeadsteak]

Char wipe? Im not sure, mixed opinions. Loot wipe? Hell yes.

[Pycroft]

Hello all. I'm new to the server, and thought I'd throw my 1 1/2 cents in the ring. I would vote no (Even though I have not voted), but it really depends. What exactly is the purpose of the wipe? If the reason is that some people have abused some experience bug, or some other bug, then I say punish the player. I find that wipes occur because of unbalance. When the server is out of beta, I bet this will happen...

I see DM's on all the time (FABULOUS). For this to be a true RP server, RP is rewarded. Those who are here to hack and slash, and don't care about role playing will get nothing out of the server, and probrably leave anyway. If the true RP'ers refuse to just keep going to the same places to get experience or loot, they'll just leave. No need to wipe everyone who has worked hard at making their characters, stories, etc. FYI, I am just beginning level 4, and have nothing to lose either way, but I know if I spent months on a character, I'd be disappointed to lose it.

I look forward to playing with everyone.

Pycroft

Chars: Pycroft Aura - Rogue of no home