Classes of Sundren

[Gothic Rose]

Yes, Nutranurse, I have.

Not everyone is like you. It's a free world, and that makes the spice of life. Do I think people should RP out their characters abilities, classes, etc? Yes, I do. Very much so. You should not have something if it makes no sense from the RP standpoint.

Do I think that everyone should start a character with no plan of progression? No, I think that's silly and I know I wouldn't enjoy it. Planning is fun. I like numbers.

I also like RP. RP and numbers working hand in hand make me happy. The end.

[Blue_Wyrm]

I share Rose's point of view. Planning a character is very exciting, and it's often the description of a prestige class that gets me started "How did my character come to be interested in X ? " and then the supporting RPed personality and background for my character comes out.

Also, while I completely agree there are certainly munchkin builds that must be avoided for the sake of realism, let's face it, being unable to take a prestige class that suits your character because you didn't plan to take on the feats and skills required in advance sucks. D&D is a game of character progression, and that's as much a RP thing as it is a number thing.

[Slaiv]

I have to agree with Rose, also.

I've played a few servers where I've just wanted to jump on and play and I've had a ton of fun with a build that I just 'swung'. Though, there comes a time when you have something in mind that you want to see through.. that you already have the mentality of the character in mind.

I don't think RP can wholeheartedly make you want to change feats. You RP to what you're going to be building already.

If you're a rogue with stealth.. RP isn't really going to make me change my mind about walking everywhere unstealthed and/or hate stealth and stop putting skill points into stealth when I've already put 20 points. That, in itself, -is- RP.. my character's choice not to despair on something he's trained.. no matter who tries to convince him.

I think too many people 'worry' about power-gaming/builds/munchkins rather that not caring and letting people play the way they want.

P.S. I also believe that a lot of people have a hard time choosing exactly what they want to play.. So, build becomes important because they want to have fun. They may not make the end all of builds.. but atleast it's something they like. Cut them some slack.

[undeadsteak]

Sure, but making a build n all, then never letting your char be influenced by their rp to change, isnt too rpish. If your char is changed by RP, go with it. Don't just plan on making a build and staying with it whatever happens to your char. And i have to disagree, Slaiv. RP can make you change feats...

[Rhifox]

You have to have a mix. There needs to be a goal for the character and that goal is probably something that is going to be difficult to change from, but people should be willing to change if something sufficiently manages to dissuade them from their original course.

The only problem is that the DnD system really does not support RP builds. Due to having a max level (or imposed max level because anything higher is considered godly rather than just more of one's life experiences), suddenly changing halfway or late into the game can completely destroy a character's viability. In addition, many aspects require huge investment to even get to the 'RP part' that you're looking for. A single or even 10 levels in a class is often not enough to really get to the 'meat' of the class. You often have to take 5 'filler' levels which do nothing but eat up pointless levels in order to get to the fundamental RP aspects of the class. Class-based RP systems are inherently flawed like that. A purely skill/feat-based system would be much better (I personally much prefer the VtM system over DnD). Fighter is really the only class to be able to really build itself based on RP, due to its high amount of extra feats.

[Drancor]

i agree with not sticking to a build, ive played on many worlds that said they were RP but were home to who could build the most powerful builds. I was guilty and yes i can build some rather nasty power builds, but this time iam stickin to a simple idea to play my character vrog, ive come up with HIS personality and that is how iam pickin levels of what to play. When i came up with the idea for Vrog i devloped his personality , mind set and history first, that is how i decided on what he would become. I laid that out not his levles, hell i pick feats now as they come and i see that he needs to work on. I find this more fun then building by a set blueprint like my favorte bard/duel weild weapon master/RDD (when servers let you have dev. crit THOSE WERE THE DAYS! ((of power builds)) lol) but iam finding it alot more fun to RP my way to feats and class.

[GodBeastX]

Isn't Vrog the RDD? I think to play an RDD without powerbuilding, you focus your build around a stat other than STR. If STR is your stat, taking RDD just made you godlike

[undeadsteak]

I think Pain is the RDD, GBX ^^. And I dont think ive ever seen a RDD who went from sorccerer or bard to RDD without multiclassing and focused on Cha O_O. But then, most people dont go RDD nyways.

[Blue_Wyrm]

It's just... hard to play well, in my opinion. I'm so glad that this server has restricting policies about those things... I met the fire genasi and I was like "ooooo he has a reason to exist and roleplays his fiery temper very well zohmygawd!".

And Vrog... just a plain fighter kicks ass, as does a barbarian. My friend Loudex who plays "Frangelico Foley" chose like you to play a stupid brute because he lacks practice using english (we're from french canada). Let me tell you... at level 3 your jaw drops when you see a gnome barbarian charge in and swing his greataxe for a 40 crit. I was like... "Okayyy... I cast Magic Missile on the Darkness..."

[Rhifox]

I think Pain is the RDD, GBX ^^. And I dont think ive ever seen a RDD who went from sorccerer or bard to RDD without multiclassing and focused on Cha O_O. But then, most people dont go RDD nyways.

I went from Sorcerer to RDD in NWN1 SoU and HotU, under the belief that a class based off of having either bard or sorcerer was a spell casting class (back when I didn't know the DnD system so well and didn't plan out builds).

That build screwed me royally for those two campaigns.

[nutranurse]

Well let me just amend what I said: Make a build, which is the vague idea of where you are going to go, but do not aim to make a powergamer build. How is that?

Also, there are characters out there who are not meant to be uberpowerful wizards or warriors or assassins or etc. Some characters (depending on how you RP them) are there for the RP and the RP alone really.

[Bornas]

I'm playing around with an RDD that is supposed to be gold dragon instead of red.

He is charisma based. I figure the +8 str is enough of that. Only one sorcerer level, though. So far hes a bit pitiful, being beaten up by goblins (and a few players who "hate paladins"), but I'm hoping he will be decent with some levels. It's not much fun to roleplay the crusader who fails every time

[PinguThePenguin]

Isn't Vrog the RDD? I think to play an RDD without powerbuilding, you focus your build around a stat other than STR. If STR is your stat, taking RDD just made you godlike

...Hrogash...is HROGASH!

And that said, people who don't RP out the RDD class make me cry tears of sorrowful scorn. I've seen way too many people who treat RDD as not even a class, just a race.

Dragon Disciples are people who have crazy dreams and yearnings and all that jazz and try to find out about why they're slowly going crazy, to discover that they've got the blood of a dragon from hundreds or thousands of years ago, then focus their magic inside of themselves with meditation and stuff to unlock the potential in their magical blood.

People who don't RP that sort of thing out and just take it for the STR make me a Sad Penguin. (Actually, I personally think RDD's should be DM approval characters, myself. And I'm playing one, so it's not like I don't have a vested interest XD )

[nutranurse]

Well, at the end of the RDD path you are a half-dragon, so I cannot fault those for believing it to be a slow transformation into another race >_>

But I do agree that it should require a DM approval for the sole fact that at the end of it you are a half-dragon (not to mention the stat increases)

[GodBeastX]

Dragon Disciple is not right compared to P&P. It's supposed to give spell bonuses as well, which actually makes it useful for sorcerors and such. In NWN2 it's just a tank class that has a Sorc/Bard requirement. Personally, If I made it DM approval only, I'd remove the Sorc/Bard requirement, and just say "A dragon peed on your ancestors" making it sort of more like a Tiefling. Sure it's not how Hrogash wants it, but it's better than seeing Level 1 bard and level 10 RDD in my eyes.