Should Ichbin Perma Die!?

[CrimsonTears]

What is it with people's fixation with killing?

[RynebowBright]

What is it with people's fixation with killing?

It makes them feel powerful, strokes their ego, and gets them attention?

Just my thoughts.

[Ichbin]

I agree with that happening claron but what i have heard about ichbin is that he cast a spell on you and when hes about to die he starts saying it was an ooc accident.

It was that ONE TIME yo%^$#@$^&^^$#@#!@$%@$$%%^@!!.....

...seriously, christ. Ask the friggin DM that was there, it was the only accident I ever made. If it wasnt an accident I wouldn't have done it in the middle of being attacked by gnolls!

[Paerin]

What is it with people's fixation on Talking?
What is it with people's fixation on Crafting?
What is it with people's fixation on Exploring?
What is it with people's fixation on Leveling?

It's a roleplaying game taking place in an alternative medieval world. This is not a technologically advanced society that uses reason and science to evolve, but instead an uneducated short lifespan setting. The game mechanics are geared towards combat (as that is the only way to earn experience) unless the creators of the game wish otherwise.

Currently there are two ways to gain experience and thus advance in-game: Killing or DM Rewards. Currently since there are 3-4 DMs and 38 people logged in, most people do not get DM love and need to do the killing. If you were purely interested in roleplaying with spoken text you would be playing a MUD.

The better question you should ask yourself is: What is with people's fixation on killing during the times others aren't interested in it. Everyone wants to kill every once in a while, but no one wants to lose. The problem that there is always a winner and a loser. When you RP everyone can come out feeling like a winner.

It's all part of the dumbing down of our society where everyone wants to win, and has self-esteem problems if they don't. Instead of practicing (leveling), or adapting they complain about it and feel they have some divine right to win. In the large scheme of things what is getting killed one time randomly going to do to you (other than cost you 5 minutes)? The answer is nothing!

It's a password protected server with a screening process. I can promise you that if someone continually runs around and slaughters newb's when they are level nine they won't be around long. But if that same level 9 kills another level 9 withou provocation then the one who died needs to be get better at combat, or spend time in a group. Period.

Obviously the ones who run this place don't feel that way, so they protect those with a sense of entitlement. It's a shame, because as mentioned above one person with sour grapes can ruin the experience for everyone but negative publicity. Personally I think there are more than enough mature players who will come to the server and play it without all the OOC rules and regulations that everyone tries to enforce.

[Ichbin]

What is it with people's fixation on Talking?
What is it with people's fixation on Crafting?
What is it with people's fixation on Exploring?
What is it with people's fixation on Leveling?

It's a roleplaying game taking place in an alternative medieval world. This is not a technologically advanced society that uses reason and science to evolve, but instead an uneducated short lifespan setting. The game mechanics are geared towards combat (as that is the only way to earn experience) unless the creators of the game wish otherwise.

Currently there are two ways to gain experience and thus advance in-game: Killing or DM Rewards. Currently since there are 3-4 DMs and 38 people logged in, most people do not get DM love and need to do the killing. If you were purely interested in roleplaying with spoken text you would be playing a MUD.

The better question you should ask yourself is: What is with people's fixation on killing during the times others aren't interested in it. Everyone wants to kill every once in a while, but no one wants to lose. The problem that there is always a winner and a loser. When you RP everyone can come out feeling like a winner.

It's all part of the dumbing down of our society where everyone wants to win, and has self-esteem problems if they don't. Instead of practicing (leveling), or adapting they complain about it and feel they have some divine right to win. In the large scheme of things what is getting killed one time randomly going to do to you (other than cost you 5 minutes)? The answer is nothing!

It's a password protected server with a screening process. I can promise you that if someone continually runs around and slaughters newb's when they are level nine they won't be around long. But if that same level 9 kills another level 9 withou provocation then the one who died needs to be get better at combat, or spend time in a group. Period.

Obviously the ones who run this place don't feel that way, so they protect those with a sense of entitlement. It's a shame, because as mentioned above one person with sour grapes can ruin the experience for everyone but negative publicity. Personally I think there are more than enough mature players who will come to the server and play it without all the OOC rules and regulations that everyone tries to enforce.

0.0 oh...my...flippin'....god. Thats what I've been trying to say the whole time. Only I've been too flustered to just say that, lol. Thank you Paerin, thank you.

[CrimsonTears]

Where did you pull it from that lifespan is short? It's been written and said all over FR and other settings: it's fantasy, not dark ages medieval.

But even completely ignoring that obvious tidbit, what is people's fixation with killing? People didn't go around killing each other "because they were evil" in the dark ages. They didn't go attacking others because they refused to bow or to step aside for your "level highness". People knew when you try to kill someone you're risking dying yourself or going to jail for a long time, which isn't worth it for most. If anything, that's what's lacking: real punishment for that kind of stuff. People want to go around killing "because they can"? I'll be fine with it when I can get you arrested and locked in a 3'x3' room for one real life month (and that's being nice for a murder).

I think people watch way too many movies, really. Maybe I should complain I don't have a Holy Granade.

[RynebowBright]

It's a password protected server with a screening process. I can promise you that if someone continually runs around and slaughters newb's when they are level nine they won't be around long. But if that same level 9 kills another level 9 withou provocation then the one who died needs to be get better at combat, or spend time in a group. Period.

But that is just what he does: Kills anyone he thinks he can that won't kill him. Just ask the newbs that recently got slaughtered after five minutes in game.

[Kaither]

Locking this thread to prevent any more idiocy

[GodBeastX]

Naw, this shit ain't closed til I slap more people.

Mindless killing to prove my eeping is bigger = WoW
Ganking lowbies who log in and telling them it's dangerous outside their territory = WoW

So why are you on Sundren? Go play WoW, it's designed for you. I still gank fools on it. I still stunlock people on my rogue, it's fun, but it's not welcome here.

But if that same level 9 kills another level 9 withou provocation then the one who died needs to be get better at combat, or spend time in a group. Period.

Yeah, I know you think you sound hard ass with that, but it's these thoughts that is why we have the rules in the first place. Because some of you view PVP OOC'ly. That whole statement is OOC, nothing in there is IC, not one part.

I know you all think you got things right, but you don't. Everytime someone dies in PVP it notifies the DM's on the server. Every time. Tells us who killed who. Etc. This happens alot. How many people do you see complaining on the forum? Very few? That's because only the people getting griefed are complaining. I don't see any posts from a Level 9 saying he got killed by a Level 9 and wants that other level 9 banned. Do you?

I see posts with people flagging others hostile over and over to show how much they hate them OOC. What the hell is that?

I see posts of people killing people who have 0 xp and writing it off with "I'm crazy". Oh yeah, you gotta be crazy to break my rules because it'll wind up bad for you. So I agree there.

I see complaints that someone wouldn't move out the way in the middle of a soldier filled fort so someone lost their head and killed them. Try this once, take a man, go into a police station, knock on the window. When the officer behind the glass looks up, shoot the man in the head. Okay, then write me a letter from prison or hell, wherever they send you.

Now you can tell me what part of that bullshit I need to allow on the server so the server is "Manly" enough for you? That's what I thought.

I bet if we harshened death penalty to be permadeath every time, you all wouldn't even be out killing people. So I'm wondering if the penalties are hurting the victims, or empowering the attackers?