Should Ichbin Perma Die!?

[Ven The Jen]

I do not think this is the same situation. Also... the big difference is the Clerics of Bane and the goblins are not level 9.

*he shrugs* IC reactions to IC actions. It just looked like people were killed for no good reason.

So you're saying evil people should not take advantage of other peoples weakness?

Urm, nice sentiment and all but if I go outside there're people who will beat you up for looking at them wrong. Fact. So if I took those people into a place where there's no punishment for murder, lawless land, gave them magic that could probably take down a small group of soldiers (Modern day, though mostly because they'd be busy laughing when he starts waving his arms about and chanting and screaming when screaming when tentacles rip from the floor to disembowel them) they would SO not kill or severely injure anyone.

You get people doing it all the time in other countries (I live in england. Four people shot dead within a month or so made national news papers so as far as I'm aware it's uncommon here...) People who buy guns and go sick with the ability to take life. Stereotype american 'hillbillies' and 'gangstas' (Not in anyway approving stereotyping but as it stands you can't take reality and not call a person out of character for themselves, which is a point I'm trying to get at) Shoot people and things all the time...

Complaining OOC for this stuff simply will not persuade me against him as I do not know exactly how Ichbin's character's mind works. My characters may be somewhat perceptive and understanding but they aren't trained psychologists. Neither am I, if I did take it OOC... I mean, heck, people as have in this topic, can tell people to look up the behavioral patterns of psychopaths to compare to their characters. Well... I can safely say that 99.999% of the people in this planet do not know anything about this. A large percentage of the population are not literate, much less take an interest in a relatively obscure subject. Applying this IC, well using a mindset that would be 500-1000 years ago, in some places, amplify the common myths and paranoia of men who are as vicious as demons, warlords who eat the hearts of those they slay and those who are the devil with the fact that in D&D these are REAL... Tell me, who IC would think it strange that an evil wizard, in the wilderness, who knew he was stronger then those he preyed upon, slaughtered and took the blood as travelers. (In the case of him killing my Kashia character)

However I do really like the discussion and I think I'l use the forum more.

[Ralek]

Whatever the reasoning behind the killing might be (OOC or IC), murdering random low level PC's should be avoided, since it has the potential the ruin the entire reputation of the Sundren PW.

"So, you checked out Sundren yet?"
"Yeah, it's screwed, I'd been there like, 5 minutes when this griefer comes up and kills me and these guys I was just roleplaying with. Nothing was wrong that, appearantly."
"Oh. Well I don't think I'll be visiting anytime soon, then."

I don't really think anything else needs to be said, it's about ooc courtesy and respect, you don't just kill people like that.

[RynebowBright]

Whatever the reasoning behind the killing might be (OOC or IC), murdering random low level PC's should be avoided, since it has the potential the ruin the entire reputation of the Sundren PW.

"So, you checked out Sundren yet?"
"Yeah, it's screwed, I'd been there like, 5 minutes when this griefer comes up and kills me and these guys I was just roleplaying with. Nothing was wrong that, appearantly."
"Oh. Well I don't think I'll be visiting anytime soon, then."

I don't really think anything else needs to be said, it's about ooc courtesy and respect, you don't just kill people like that.

Bingo. That is exactly it. It's all about mutual enjoyment, and who enjoys getting killed by some random guy when they are minding their own business. Is it real? Maybe, maybe not. Sure, you can get killed or beat up for no reason in the real world, but that doesn't make it fun. Real is not always equal to fun in a fantasy game. But total fantasy isn't always equal to fun, either.

If you want a server that doesn't care if you PK, then find a server that doesn't care if you PK. Easy as that.

[OzmaDarkheart]

I just hate you Ichbin....that's why we're friends!

[Acheron77]

I really don't care, so I voted "Yes kill him" because I want to see him die in a spectacular way.
Go out with a bang, it's what I would do.

[Grigori]

It's called personal gratification and attention deprivation... Which would also explain the actions of his character and the attempts to play it off as IC action. *shrug*

The only thing I do not understand in this thread is.

Why are you asking other people if he should be permanently dead?

The decision to permakill your own character should be your own decision, provided you aren't doing anything drastically retarded. ( Then it becomes our decision too. )

[Soulbadguy]

I think the point that WE are trying to get across is not just asking for a PVP consent.. but even stating it.


You have a Character who kills.. who kills for pleasure..fine.

You face consequences.

Ven.. I know what your saying but guess what.. a cleric of bane.. goblins.. they die.. they die for good.


Ich should of been dead.. long ago.. dead for good. That character is known as a murderer and assaulter.

Remember people... Your character's actions will have an effect on your character's life in this server.

If you wanna play a murderous character then fine.. so be it. What it will do is cause your character to die (permanently).. NOT because we are being spiteful (usually ) but because that is whats going to happen to murderous characters.


The reason GBX despises these types of characters is because they have no long lasting life in a persistant world. You cannot last that long with dozens of heros at your throats. Its that simple and we urge players to have a character that they can love and keep to help build a strong story in our world. Everyone should have fun.



PVP:

Ich should at least.... at least... tell people in their tells.. " Hey I'm going to attack you because my character is evil like that and blah blah blah" but that didn't even happen.


As Roleplayers we should allow fun for others.. and if someone says in a tell for example

" Hey im hiding in the shadows and we both know you can't see me.. im going to stab you in the back and attempt to kill you"

you as roleplayer should accept your fate and say.. " Okay I'll just RP accordingly.." not say.. " Okay" *buffs with potions and/or spells* or.. *thinks something is gonna happen and runs off*


I had a character.. Maia.. come out of the bushes and take my character Iara by the arm and held her in place. I let this happen because I wanted to see what would happen .. yeah. I could of tried to spot her or tried to somehow role strength checks and get away..but why??? why in the hell would I wanna do that??? This is going to be fun and it gives the opportunity for another character to have the best of yours.


I don't agree with murderous.. heartless characters myself because they have no life here or any other world .. as I said.. they don't last long cause they are going to get found out.. unless they plan ahead.

Seriously.. i don't mind PVP at.. I like it in some senses.. i think it causes some good conflict. But.. it needs to be done where people can have fun and is why we have these rules.

If you kill an effortless.. why PVP them?? Why don't you just say.. " Hey my character can whoop 5 of you in a heartbeat.. lets just RP it out instead of me just beating your ass"

If you wanna play something Chaotic Evil... make your murders.. planned... plan them out and give a reason why... Even the murderous drow plan ahead of their kills and they are one of the most vicious races out there.

Don't be a goblin chaotic evil.. be a... uh... smarter chaotic evil.. rise above the rest of the simple heartless killers out there. Show me some RP skills... there are way better Rp'rs out there than I and I favor evil characters more than good because when someone makes a good evil character.. it takes patience and time.

Please.. everyone.. just think about the imagination behind your character and what fun you can with conflicts. That is all we ask.

[undeadsteak]

So you're saying evil people should not take advantage of other peoples weakness?

Urm, nice sentiment and all but if I go outside there're people who will beat you up for looking at them wrong. Fact. So if I took those people into a place where there's no punishment for murder, lawless land, gave them magic that could probably take down a small group of soldiers (Modern day, though mostly because they'd be busy laughing when he starts waving his arms about and chanting and screaming when screaming when tentacles rip from the floor to disembowel them) they would SO not kill or severely injure anyone.

You get people doing it all the time in other countries (I live in england. Four people shot dead within a month or so made national news papers so as far as I'm aware it's uncommon here...) People who buy guns and go sick with the ability to take life. Stereotype american 'hillbillies' and 'gangstas' (Not in anyway approving stereotyping but as it stands you can't take reality and not call a person out of character for themselves, which is a point I'm trying to get at) Shoot people and things all the time...

Complaining OOC for this stuff simply will not persuade me against him as I do not know exactly how Ichbin's character's mind works. My characters may be somewhat perceptive and understanding but they aren't trained psychologists. Neither am I, if I did take it OOC... I mean, heck, people as have in this topic, can tell people to look up the behavioral patterns of psychopaths to compare to their characters. Well... I can safely say that 99.999% of the people in this planet do not know anything about this. A large percentage of the population are not literate, much less take an interest in a relatively obscure subject. Applying this IC, well using a mindset that would be 500-1000 years ago, in some places, amplify the common myths and paranoia of men who are as vicious as demons, warlords who eat the hearts of those they slay and those who are the devil with the fact that in D&D these are REAL... Tell me, who IC would think it strange that an evil wizard, in the wilderness, who knew he was stronger then those he preyed upon, slaughtered and took the blood as travelers. (In the case of him killing my Kashia character)

However I do really like the discussion and I think I'l use the forum more.

Sure, there are people who go around shooting people.. But you see, they aren't revived by their gods or magic every single time they die, and they end up dying, and they don't come back.

[Vichtor]

I don't agree with murderous.. heartless characters myself because they have no life here or any other world .. as I said.. they don't last long cause they are going to get found out.. unless they plan ahead. .

Red: Unneeded generalization, bad Soulbadguy, Bad! I'm a heartless bastard, and I have a life...

Bold: Exactly.....exactly.

[Diverdan]

Meh, in my opinion even if theres the slightest bit of RP with a PK (not a lvl 20 vs a newb* lvl 3) i find it okay. Like out of no where a dark figure leaps out and stabs you then they go *checks your face to see if you are correct mark* Or *searches body and steals you of coin bag* or even *kicks dead body to make sure he is dead*. There is RP there and they are not just metakilling.
The worst ever Metakiller i have seen on a server was on the last server i played on, he was uber tweaked and a pure powerbuild. He would hunt characters down as soon as he saw them as red (there were several factions on this server) and kill you, no RP whatsoever, he would ignore everything until you were dead. One time after he killed me he sent me annoying Tells like :
"that will teach you"
"That will teach me what?"
" I dunno. . for looking funny"
Yeah, Grade A RPer there.


** I used the term Newb. Not Noob. therefore meaning a new player who doesnt know what they are doing properly but are willing to seek advice and help.

[Kaldaris]

"Hello there."

"THEMZ SOUN LIEK FIGHTIN WORDS"

" . . . "

[Vichtor]

"Hello there."

"THEMZ SOUN LIEK FIGHTIN WORDS"

" . . . "

"Hello there."

Translated into Stupid: "Yur mom!"

[Garfaldo]

I'm not taking either side here, but I just find the logic a little odd when you think that just because someone is flamingly evil they deserve a perma-death when dead...

....and you think the righteous paladin that hacks his way deep into the necromancer's lair only to fall at the end... rightfully deserves another go at life? Same crap, different toilet. Why should the heros of good be able to live on when they are a corpse at the mercy of evil, and not the murderer who finally gets his dues from the town guard?

If anything.. I think Anaya (lol remember her) set the tone for this when she got off scot free in trial for her rampage of thieving, and murdering.

[Tratz]

Take away the ability to gauge how strong another character is, then lift the PvP consent rule. This will dull and deter the exploitation of obviously weaker characters.

I agree. Whatever the motivation might be to commit an evil act, if a character doesn't know, then the player doesn't need to know about it either. With a password and player screening process in place, it stands to question why we need these rules in the first place. We have all gone through the better judgement of our peers and superiors, have we not?

I also agree, giving no IC warning for an attack isn't poor roleplaying. Honestly. If you were an assassin, bounty hunter or hired killer, would you offer fair warning ahead of time or be stupid enough to make yourself known? I'd think not.

Without being able to gauge how strong a target is, eventually the dull "maniac psycho" character will get what's coming to him/her, and it' won't matter. I would also consider any death dealt in RP to be permanent, unless remedied by outside powers. That sums up my vote.

[Sathayorn]

Hello, my name is Deth'amaendul, I have been hired to kill you, is this acceptable?