Vampires?

[Catastrophe]

I used to stand around waiting for vampires as my paladin, but then they apparently stopped logging those chars as I did not see them for a long, long time. So long, in fact, that I got bored and stopped playing.

Hurp durp, not sure what that proves. Probably nothing. Goooooooo vampires!

Well, get back on! The vamps need some smack downs every now and then.

[Spacedog]

Too late. Now my hobby is pastry baking.

Plus, killing vampires was amusing until I realized there was no chance I was ever actually going to kill them, and they can't kill Angelise, so it's just going to be a nightly poke-fest. In fact, because of death amnesia, there's literally no impact at all. You don't have any psychological scarring. It becomes a joke, really.

And yeah, sure, find and destroy the coffins. But you know what? I don't believe that. The coffins can't be found until a DM event is ready for the coffins to be found. Until then, the best you can do is irritate the vampires until their players log other chars. Hell, of the three likely places for coffins to be --the Necropolis, the Wyntir Estate, and the Citadel--, two aren't even reachable unless you have a DM along.

Sorry, but there's nothing scary about the vampires and, eventually, there was nothing thrilling about killing them, either.

[mojom]

Sounds like the server needs :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtFgvHiZXA

Who's up for making the scooby gang !


Back to topic :
To be honest I haven't encountered many vamps yet, playing euopean hours appearantly vampires only do get out at night. Only had two encounters so far, one at a campfire where others were just conversing with it and one in the wild wich I ran from like there was no tommorow.

Isn't the current population of vampires not a nice source for some healthy conflict ? I assume these vamps weren't turned by matters of a game of tag and are overall good players. Vampires now present a form of conscious evil without the need for a DM online.

Clerics, FS and all kinds of wizardry can be found plenty around. On both sides of the camp. Most pc's running around seem of the spellcasting type, with the divine leading the herd. So with a bit of organisation you can quickly form a band of heroes or villains where no character alone can stand up against.

So as my conclusion vamps are a nice addition instead of a plague. But then again I haven't been swarmed by them yet (or not gotten that feeling)

[JuneyGnomey]

Banner ad at the top of my screen for vampirefreaks.com

SRSLY. This has to stop.

[TheBlankStare]

No one says you can't perm a vampire. It's player inaction that is the result of the numbers growing higher, the herd hasn't been thinned.

If people wanted them gone, they could organize it.

I might be mistaken but isn't permadeath gone from Sundren except in extreme situations and DMs would have that power? This thread from just four months ago seems to indicate that: http://www.sundren.org/forum/showthr...ght=permadeath I also seem to remember that to get permakilled required some sort of mutual consent. I can't see very many people consenting to that.

Spacedog, yes. You're exactly right. I really miss vampires being scary.

AsuraKing has it spot on though. There are way too many of them. It kind of cheapens the "honor?" of becoming one. I logged in the other day and over half of the server was in vampire mode. There really isn't anything special about being one at all anymore. I somehow kind of feel bad for the new ones because there are so many of them.

[Usurper]

As far as I know,perma-death was something that was supposed to be inflicted on any drow pcs.Why not vamps too?It will surely make the vamp pc population even more wary.Just a suggestion.

It rolls like this usually.Most people in common world Faerun would run at the sight of a vamp or drow.Hells,this goes for many actual adventurers as well,depending on the character type that is.

Ah,the metaworld of metagaming.What would you do? lol.

[07paul87]

Bah, I say make everyone, everywhere permadeathable (screw you Firefox! I know it's not a word!).

Since the chances of that are pretty low, I support vamp permadeath. Now I just need to run into one...

[Saulus]

And yeah, sure, find and destroy the coffins. But you know what? I don't believe that. The coffins can't be found until a DM event is ready for the coffins to be found. Until then, the best you can do is irritate the vampires until their players log other chars. Hell, of the three likely places for coffins to be --the Necropolis, the Wyntir Estate, and the Citadel--, two aren't even reachable unless you have a DM along.

Sorry, but there's nothing scary about the vampires and, eventually, there was nothing thrilling about killing them, either.

Hey if you want to convince yourself of the opposite of what a DM is telling you is possible by all means. Do nothing.

[Doubtful]

OK,

Quite a few fairly contentious issues coming up here, it’s nice to see that people feel strongly about things.

Firstly, let’s look at the perma angle.

Right, to make it clear: Every single character on the server is available for perma death.

That’s right. Each and every one of your PCs can be perm’d. So can all your enemies.

Now, as was pointed out above it’s not something that can be done casually during regular PvP, unless mutually agreed between the two players in combat. BUT, a DM of a suitable rank (General or Senior) can give you the go ahead and oversee the action.

Only a DM can give the go-ahead for a non-mutual perming, BUT you can request the perma-death and/or imprisonment of another character.

Of course, in order to actually pull it off it’ll need to be a story, and you’ll need to have given a lot of thought to HOW you’re going to do it along with where and all sorts of other stuff.. But it is doable.

I’d give you examples, but you know how many people have put in character requests to perma someone else’s character this year?

None.

Zip. Zero. Nadda. Zilch.


As a handy segue, that’s exactly the same number of people who’ve put in requests to try and track down the vampires lair.

So, we’ve got a few vampires, and they’re doing what vampires do and multiplying. Trouble is, the only response to this threat so far has been a bit of a Hydra’s head one (I keep cutting it’s heads off and it won’t die! Help me Gamesmaster, what am I doing wrong). That, and standing around the campfire making emo/twilight jokes (for shame).

Why not show a little bit of initiative? Rather than waiting until the vampires regenerate and come back another evening for another round of boring stabbingdom, why not get your pitchfork and torch wielding posse together and get out there and get Stokarian on those pale freaks?


Or, you could complain about how unfair it all is.


Your call.

[MadSeer]

OK,

Quite a few fairly contentious issues coming up here, it’s nice to see that people feel strongly about things.

Firstly, let’s look at the perma angle.

Right, to make it clear: Every single character on the server is available for perma death.

That’s right. Each and every one of your PCs can be perm’d. So can all your enemies.

Now, as was pointed out above it’s not something that can be done casually during regular PvP, unless mutually agreed between the two players in combat. BUT, a DM of a suitable rank (General or Senior) can give you the go ahead and oversee the action.

Only a DM can give the go-ahead for a non-mutual perming, BUT you can request the perma-death and/or imprisonment of another character.

Of course, in order to actually pull it off it’ll need to be a story, and you’ll need to have given a lot of thought to HOW you’re going to do it along with where and all sorts of other stuff.. But it is doable.

I’d give you examples, but you know how many people have put in character requests to perma someone else’s character this year?

None.

Zip. Zero. Nadda. Zilch.


As a handy segue, that’s exactly the same number of people who’ve put in requests to try and track down the vampires lair.

So, we’ve got a few vampires, and they’re doing what vampires do and multiplying. Trouble is, the only response to this threat so far has been a bit of a Hydra’s head one (I keep cutting it’s heads off and it won’t die! Help me Gamesmaster, what am I doing wrong). That, and standing around the campfire making emo/twilight jokes (for shame).

Why not show a little bit of initiative? Rather than waiting until the vampires regenerate and come back another evening for another round of boring stabbingdom, why not get your pitchfork and torch wielding posse together and get out there and get Stokarian on those pale freaks?


Or, you could complain about how unfair it all is.


Your call.

To be honest, I'm surprised to hear none of the high level clerics, paladins, or do gooders haven't done any requests for that. But I can understand why others did not. On my end, I've learned to run when a vampire show up and not even try anything else. Why ? Because all of us lower levels are utterly useless against them and it's pretty obvious what will happen if a raiding party of level 5s go on a vampire coffin hunt.

And the ratio of active, good aligned high level PCs is outnumbered by the low levels - which leaves us dealing with the vampires. Which means we die. A lot.

P.S. This isn't a rant about vampires being too strong, just pointing out most of the PCs that would do something are way too weak to do squat, even if they ganged together.

[richardleitch5]

or wait abotu a bit untill we all have a vamp PC.

[richardleitch5]

To be honest, I'm surprised to hear none of the high level clerics, paladins, or do gooders haven't done any requests for that. But I can understand why others did not. On my end, I've learned to run when a vampire show up and not even try anything else. Why ? Because all of us lower levels are utterly useless against them and it's pretty obvious what will happen if a raiding party of level 5s go on a vampire coffin hunt.

And the ratio of active, good aligned high level PCs is outnumbered by the low levels - which leaves us dealing with the vampires. Which means we die. A lot.

P.S. This isn't a rant about vampires being too strong, just pointing out most of the PCs that would do something are way too weak to do squat, even if they ganged together.

my enchanter went out of her way and fully kitted out 3 paladins with the help of another some 30k worth of gear as thes 3 was ment to be the vamp killing gang. So there are a few out there trying things there probably just goign about it the wrong way.

[Spacedog]

OK,
I’d give you examples, but you know how many people have put in character requests to perma someone else’s character this year?

None.

Zip. Zero. Nadda. Zilch.

How many requests have been made about retaking Mirakus Post? There was even an attempt that was utterly rebuffed, and will, I suspect, continue to be rebuffed until those legion warden NPCs show up to do it. If we can't retake Mirakus Post, why would anyone think it's plausible to assault the citadel? Or Wyntir? Or maybe their coffins are held in the secret temple that can apparently only be reached by Myrkulites using the throne in the Necropolis?

You're claiming it's all totally possible to strike back and win one for the Gipper, but I'm telling you I, and many others, feel it isn't. You can blame us, or you can consider why we would feel disillusioned. (It shouldn't be hard to figure out, given threads like this).

But ultimately, that's not what this thread was supposed to be about. The OP was simply saying there are too many vampire PCs, not that they're inherently broken in concept. I'm forced to apologize for contributing to a derail, to that end. Sorry, OP!

[Anrilor]

there are a few high level PCs actually working on this now.... granted Ami had to go kick them in the butt to start working on a plan (cause she isn't a planer, just an organizer, her plans usually suck!) but its hard lately with all the high level good PCs slowly disapearing as more vampires appear. expect to see Ami and Cirion try to rally what they can find to do the hunt, but we suspect OOCly that it probably wont go well due to our lower numbers and implosion now able to bypass deathward.

[Saulus]

How many requests have been made about retaking Mirakus Post? There was even an attempt that was utterly rebuffed, and will, I suspect, continue to be rebuffed until those legion warden NPCs show up to do it. If we can't retake Mirakus Post, why would anyone think it's plausible to assault the citadel? Or Wyntir? Or maybe their coffins are held in the secret temple that can apparently only be reached by Myrkulites using the throne in the Necropolis?

You're claiming it's all totally possible to strike back and win one for the Gipper, but I'm telling you I, and many others, feel it isn't. You can blame us, or you can consider why we would feel disillusioned. (It shouldn't be hard to figure out, given threads like this).

But ultimately, that's not what this thread was supposed to be about. The OP was simply saying there are too many vampire PCs, not that they're inherently broken in concept. I'm forced to apologize for contributing to a derail, to that end. Sorry, OP!

Well really if that's how you feel the door is right in front of you. I honestly can't believe the amount of bitching from some people while other people are on the totally opposite page, they just don't feel the need to post in this thread and PM me.

Most people didn't give a shit about Mirakus post until it was captured and then everyone expected it to be captured back the next day.

It's incredible how 'disillusioned' the good guys can become no matter what they accomplish and the evil PCs just suck it up when things don't go their way.

I still stand by the fact that the player's biggest barrier is themselves because every DM here has always been willing to work to some compromise to aid a player with their goal whether it would succeed or not. Instead of ICly taking action I'm seeing a lot of OOC whining.