Vampires?

[MadSeer]

In line with my last statement, I have already had a player complain to me and leave the server over this victimization. I understand that the RP was generally fine, but the player still felt screwed anyway.

I understand that we can't carebear to every player, but there does need to be some consideration and responsibility on the part of the vampire PC's. The concept of victimization is a very very touchy subject with some players and it can be very unfair, especially to new players, who are victimized over and over again.

I would say that our vampire population needs to lay off the brand new players a bit, and if the RP still demands interaction, make sure you are responsible and you RP it properly and well.

I'd like to say, I have yet to see a vampire that will jump out of the blue to attack everyone. I think the problem is that when warranted PvP comes....even if you're five against one you get your butt kicked. And that ticks some people off.

Personally I can say that all the encounters I've had with vampires started with RP and often ended with RP rather than butt kicking. Though I've heard about vamps going on killing rampage, it seems to be more rare than RP encounters. Besides, after having his neck bitten once, my character learns to go around with mind protection and vampire repelling stuff. There's a lot of ways to avoid being bitten really...

[JuneyGnomey]

Some enterprising person should take this opportunity to publish a book or pamphlet listing common vampire myths, wards, wives tales and, of course, jokes.

Hmmm......

[Philosopher]

I'm actually glad to hear that people are taking this in stride.

I'll be the first to admit I can overreact. It really upsets me to hear about players leaving over this stuff, since players having fun is the reason I do this in the first place.

My previous points still stand. Lets give the new guys some breathing room to get used to how things roll around here, and lets try to lay off repeated victimization if it can be helped. Just be mindful. That's all I ask.

[BedlamX]

Some enterprising person should take this opportunity to publish a book or pamphlet listing common vampire myths, wards, wives tales and, of course, jokes.

Hmmm......

What I would prefer is a list of known deterants for NWN2 vampires as the template used on Sundren works. I have yet to see any vamp PC react negatively to a holy symbol prominantly displayed or worry about the victim having a clove of garlic on them. Not saying none of them do this kind of thing, just saying I have yet to see it. It would be nice to know which of the normal vamp "rules" the ones on Sundren must follow. This could give at least some form of protection for those toons that are not casters. Personally, I have never fought a vamp PC here, so I have no clue what works with the template used. I understand sunlight still affects them as well as silver weapons. What about the myriad of other anti-vamp myths? Enquiring minds and all that.

One of the main problems I have been hearing gripes about (by the way guys...just cuz I have no life and am almost always on the game...that does not make me staff or a DM, so I don't have any more clue than you do ) is the dominate gaze attack. I know there was a whole thing about this a while back where everyone was trying to figure out how to actually fight a vamp without looking at them. Was this ever figured out? I ask because when looking through all the info on classic vampires, the gaze domination must be done when the victim's guard is down (being seduced is the most common, but casual contact with an unsuspecting victim is also shown a few times in what I could find). In combat or when the target is aware of the gaze, it almost never works in the stories. If it did, no one would ever be able to actually fight a vamp unless they were some kick-ass, blind ninja type guy (or Daredevil ...or a silly Air Genasi ). I assume this has been settled, but couldn't find the verdict anywhere in my search.

On the topic of hunting the vamps down and why no one has asked to do it, I would submit this little observation: We have been told there is no perma without mutual consent as long as I have been playing here (granted, not as long as many). No one really wants to waste a bunch of time on something they believe will not be allowed. It just leads to frustration and resentment followed by another player leaving (and this goes for just about anything, not just vamps and stuff). now that the staff has clarified that vamps (and just about everyone else) can be perma'd under the right circumstances, I would hazard a guess that the requests will start coming in...maybe quite a few of them. The problem staff is going to have to deal with is a tough one: someone is going to have to succeed at this. If not, it makes it look like it is still impossible and that staff just put the possibility out there to shut people up. Staff being rude to players runs players off. But so does staff saying you can have a suit of Gnomish Power Armor with repeating fire crossbows and an anti-vampire holy water srinkler system...but making it impossible to get the parts (not that this has happened...I just love the idea my gnome tinkerer came up with no matter how far-fetched it is). It's kinda a fine line to walk and I don't envy anyone that has to walk it.

Sorry for the long rant. Just some questions and observations I have made on the subject.

[MadSeer]

Normally, vampires, in D&D, have to stay 5ft away from someone brandishing a holy symbol, garlic or a mirror. Sun kills them, so does a spell like Sunburst if they fail a reflex save. They can't cross running waters unless carried over in their coffin and can't enter a place they haven't been invited in (unless it's a public spot), or a place that has garlic everywhere.
I suppose all of that applies in Sundren. But does it ?

[Vaelek]

I'm actually also very interested in getting a detailed list of what is and isn't fact for Sundren vampires.

I know on Mathell I inquired towards as much a few times, but very rarely was given any concrete say on things like..
In particular, garlic.

The only encouragement/advice I was given about fighting vampires was Undeath to Death, heh.

[JuneyGnomey]

You guys should stop wondering and have your characters queue up to buy the pamphlet. Vamphlet.

This is going to be fun.

[Vaelek]

Perhaps when a DM is the one writing and advertising said Vamphlet.

[Kaizen]

I had Azrael Autumn make a rather sarcastic and snide remark to a vampiress concerning mirrors, so I guess that one applies XD

[Doubtful]

One thing I may have neglected to mention the first time - A perma request is a two way street.

IE: You come up with the aim, plot and everything to off someone else, you get all the way through to the climactic battle where you're going to kill your nemesis and BAM!

They kill you right back first.

That's it for you - You're toast, off to the perma place in the sky.


Just so you all know

Risk vs reward.

[Philosopher]

Personally, I'm not a big fan of players requesting permission to perma-kill other players. Seems kinda wrong to me, but I suppose it wouldn't happen any other way without mutual consent.

[Saulus]

Please continue this thread further here if you wish to speak on the subject.

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