Item or way to resist bigby's

[thaelis]

I dont think there is any issue with the spell, there duration was the problem thats been cut down. maybe the issue is its on an item with 20- charges that anyone one meeting the rep in that faction can use. It's not a caster with a max of like 6 of them to toss at once.

Yes, thats probably true. Wand can only have up to 4th level spells, and cost like 15,000gp? The ring has a 6th level spell and costs 5000...

Since its a ring not a wand why not make it 1/day use? I hate charges anyway, especially for the Recursus Locket, Nexus shard etc.

EDIT: The reason I hate charged items for things like Nexus shard/Recursus locket is that the purpose of those items is to increase convenience, and decrease the crazy amount of running you have to do. But personally I would never use it, as its about 150gp+ per use.

[Vladadier]

I don't know about only 1 use/pd... Maybe 3pd would be more fair

[Torgar]

I am the person who pvp'd him in question that day, and I used 13 charges on the ring. Monks already have a built in resist to the ring, it's called having SR 30 at level 20. I also used a potion of Heal, 5 pots of cure critical wounds, and a potion of barkskin. So, in all, I spent 4803 gold pieces in gear to defeat him. So yes, I did spam a ring so that I could overcome him, but in the end, he kind of won because I spent almost 5k gold to win just one fight. He spent pretty much a few hundred on some pots, so I think he still won out in the end.

[Vladadier]

i dont want you to think im bitching because you won. I agree with the monk SR being its defence, but thats my point. Most chars dont have that SR. Any char that doesnt have the SR, cant cast spells, or UMD. Its screwed againt someone who can use a ring like that 13 or more times in a battle

[Cornuto]

Initially I was against this based on the 'Achilles' heel' reasoning previously posted. Then I realized we've got fighters that can cast 13 Bigby's spells in a single encounter.

Now I just want to hit everything with a flamethrower.

[Infallius_Daemonium]

I also thought the ring was a bit much... I like the use per day idea, though.

Items like the Recursus Locket should be charge based so there is a 'cost' for the quick and easy travel. That imposes a soft restriction on its use. But, for something like Ring of the Ram the times it can be used in one sitting seems more important than imposing a cost on each use of it.

[Kiroy]

Items like the Recursus Locket should be charge based so there is a 'cost' for the quick and easy travel. That imposes a soft restriction on its use. But, for something like Ring of the Ram the times it can be used in one sitting seems more important than imposing a cost on each use of it.

This. Bigby's is silly to begin with, being able to use it multiple times in a single encounter with the ring is kind of overpowering.

[FoogooFish]

I disagree. UMD users can use scrolls of the spell multiple times per encounter if they so choose. Most don't because the scrolls are expensive, but that's neither here nor there. If a change needs to occur, then it is with the relatively low cost of the item, but even then I say that taking up a ring slot during combat is a fair enough balance.

I also feel that learning IC ways to counter the tactics of foes should be explored before asking for OOC changes.

[Peridan]

I disagree. UMD users can use scrolls of the spell multiple times per encounter if they so choose. Most don't because the scrolls are expensive, but that's neither here nor there. If a change needs to occur, then it is with the relatively low cost of the item, but even then I say that taking up a ring slot during combat is a fair enough balance.

I also feel that learning IC ways to counter the tactics of foes should be explored before asking for OOC changes.

I agree, the cost should change, and perhaps the rank of the item should be upped past the 4000 rep needed to use it. Because if an item allows a fighter to cast a spell more often than a caster is able to (not unlike clerics in the past being able to fight better than a fighter was able to), and is priced low enough to buy multiple rings, it is slightly overpowered, slots non-withstanding.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Spell resistance and mantles. LOTS OF THEM! (all your 8th level slots full of extended creeping doom helps as well, its very hard to cast spells when taking stackable 20D6 a round).

Are there any items that grant sizable SR anymore?

[Seheren]

I don't think you can compare buying scrolls of bigby's to a ring with 20 charges... To cast that bigby's you have to have a sizable skill investment, as well as the large cost per scroll. A ring that has those charges with no restrictions is incredibly more powerful. Not to mention you can't just run to the faction store and buy another.

[Vladadier]

As Seheren said, You would need to invest skill points to use the scrolls... With the ring, you could have a level 20 fighter using Bigby's 20 times in one fight.

[FoogooFish]

The ring does have a restriction: it is restricted to a mid-level rank in the Sundren faction, and I must remind you all that there is no way to buy rank anymore.

Regardless, the OP's initial concern has been addressed: there are ways to counter Bigby's.

[Seheren]

4000 rep or not, it's too easy for 5000 gold in my opinion. It is an incredibly powerful magical item, the cost and requirements seem drastically low.

[Lugwy]

4000 rep is a pretty darn low prereq for a spammable Bigby's clicky. I'll be down for either raising the rep requirement or making it 1-3/rest.


EDIT: Or lowering the number of charges; say, to 10. That would have to go hand-in-hand with rep/cost raise, though.