RP is more than just do or don't

[Garfaldo]

I'm not trying to step into any argument here, just responding to the notion of RP that Asmodeus presented. I do not believe that RP is simply, you do it, or you don't. There are definitely levels from poor to exceptional RP. I think it is correct to be stern with those who chose entirely not to RP or stay IC, but for those who are "weak" in their RP, it's far better to nurture and encourage them to grow.

I recently had an incident with my character with Godbeast. While i was doing something which I felt was inline with my character's motives, I didn't realize at the time it might not have made sense with the reality of the environment. At first he was stern with me, but after speaking with him I believe we came to terms and I learned from it. It was definitely a positive experience which could have gone bad for me had he been draconian about it.

NO ONE is a perfect RPer, however you are never in the wrong as long as you continue to strive to be better and learn. While there is a line whether you RP or not, after you cross that line.. it opens a limitless ladder of progression. I think the DMs have been doing a fairly good job at this. In the beginning I think they might have been a bit harsh due to the overwhelming job of policing the riff raff, but now that things have settled down a bit, it's definitely a change for the better.

[Ichbin]

You know what I've noticed with Rping and do's and dont's? I've noticed that its alright to RP your character as long as you dont step out of bounds and make playing unhappy for other ppl.
This I completely agree with, as its no fun to be screwed when your playing the goody gum-drops char, who would gladly protect/give to other ppl.
However, this really sux with evil chars, as when good and evil chars clash, usually it becomes OOC problems real fast. Im not saying its ok to do whatever you want as long as your evil, Im just saying it limits evil chars, while good chars are cool with whatever they do.

I played an evil character in a good game before (PnP that is, and it was an Eberron game). I was...yep, Ichbin Vol! And everyone hated me... it got so bad, that it almost made everyone hate me OOC! I was a complete bastard that always had a reason for them not to kill me, or made them THINK they needed me.
However, much later I played in an evil game. Even though most of us were back stabbing, it was all cool. I played a half-vampire (turned full vamp by doing Asmodeous' bidding) warlock, who was pretty harsh with everyone else, and loved to throw his wieght around. It was alright though coz everyone was a jerk of some sort, lol.

Its just hard to merge, not so much good or evil, but good and evil ACTIONS. Which is why All good servers are the most kind n' quiet type, but extremely boring!

Sry if this wasn't in with your topic, just thought it might add alittle bit.

[Priest of Asmodeus]

First I would like to apologize for the forum post. I believe what i said to be true but it wasn't meant to start a huge argument. What was posted was for me and sal to read and should have never involved you guys as a whole.
Second I agree with you garfaldo, for the most part but in essence rping is a do or dont. either you do or you dont. if you do there is that range of roleplaying for sure. not roleplaying is running around and smashing what you see looting ect
the roleplaying side is a grey tone, a personal judgment. if some one is considered a role player help bring them up not down.

[undeadsteak]

all right, do you ever see ever, in real liife, Evil people killing people RIGHT IN PUBLIC, or stealing? No. You have to do it secretly, quietly, in a gang, and slyly. You cant just go beat the crap of people and accuse them of murdering and stealing with no proof.

[Garfaldo]

Well, I think playing an evil character is extremely difficult. I tried it once, but couldn't handle it properly. The difficulty is greatly multiplied if the majority of the server is good and righteous, and you have no evil homies to chill with.

If you are openly evil, hostile, thieving, and rude to everyone you can expect a KoS and unwelcome hanging in any civilized town. I don't think there's anything wrong with being openly wicked, it's just that you have to accept the limitations it imposes on your character. Some of these are very hard to swallow.

[Priest of Asmodeus]

is that to me or him?

[Garfaldo]

all right, do you ever see ever, in real liife, Evil people killing people RIGHT IN PUBLIC, or stealing? No. You have to do it secretly, quietly, in a gang, and slyly. You cant just go beat the crap of people and accuse them of murdering and stealing with no proof.

I'd disagree. If you are bad-ass enough, you could certainly pull it off in a weak loosely defended society. Evil doesn't always have to be secretive for character survival.... well.. atleast in the short run

[Scarlett]

Well, I think playing an evil character is extremely difficult. I tried it once, but couldn't handle it properly. The difficulty is greatly multiplied if the majority of the server is good and righteous, and you have no evil homies to chill with.

If you are openly evil, hostile, thieving, and rude to everyone you can expect a KoS and unwelcome hanging in any civilized town. I don't think there's anything wrong with being openly wicked, it's just that you have to accept the limitations it imposes on your character. Some of these are very hard to swallow.

It's all about dealing with the consequences of your characters personality/fault. He's evil, good guys hate him. Happens everyday.

I also believe that helping people RP better rather then telling them to ''GTFO'' is better then scaring everyone off who isn't RPer of the year.

[Garfaldo]

the roleplaying side is a grey tone, a personal judgment. if some one is considered a role player help bring them up not down.

I'd say that's right on as long as everyone stays open minded... which is asking a lot usually. But I agree that it's better to help than ridicule.

[Dreama]

The thing with RP is, from my experience...is you've got to have the character planned out, from top to bottom beforehand, or at least have an idea and let other characters influence and help mold the character through RP.

I'm someone who spends a lot of time thinking my character out before I even make them. I don't even have NWN2 installed on my computer yet, but I'm on here to I can better form my character when I -do- get ready to send in my application.
Quirks, pet peeves, favorites...Having all these planned out either in your head or on paper make RPing all the more enjoyable for both you and who you're playing with.
You have to have a character in mind...then bring the character to life!
Think about how characters are established in books, both fiction and nonfiction...that's what you have to do through RP.

I've found that writing RP posts (whether it's a journal, thoughts, or dreams) can help A LOT when it comes to making your character more fun when you get IG. Make them live!
I'm someone that gets -way- too in depth with my characters, but as dorky as it sounds, it makes it more fun.
Not everyone's RP style is the same.
Some people RP as black or white, Evil or good characters. Others are perfectly neutral. And there are others who have hidden agendas, or waver between those things. I see no problem with any of this...It makes it all the more fun and realistic.

Your character does not need to be in contact with anyone or anything powerful to make them fun. They do not need to be perfect. They do not need to be special in any way. They just need to be felt by the players in a way...But yeah..
I agree with Garfaldo, there.
Open-minded ness is the key. If you're willing to accept other's characters, you'll be more likely to enjoy them.

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[GodBeastX]

The only do and don't rule I follow with RP is this.

Do have fun!
Don't be the only one having fun with your RP!

You'd be amazed how many situations that would cover.

[Fizzer]

I agree noone is perfect at roleplaying...but I don't want to play on a server with people who won't at least try to roleplay. It makes it easier to roleplay a bit better than you otherwise would when everyone is giving it a go.

Evil wise Ichbin...you should be universally despised you evil scum you !
Seriously though, it must be hard to roleplay openly evil and associate with goods for any amount of time - your aims are so antithetical it has to come to conflict sooner or later without some overwhelming deus ex machina popping up to keep you from it. Now subtle characters..well, if you haven't revealed yourself no one should give you a hard time should they?

[Dreama]

I've actually seen places where good players Metagame their way into somehow magically "knowing" who's evil and who's not.
If someone's a sneaky-evil type..they'd find some stupid excuse for finding out that they're evil, and then would insist that they have a right to PvP them...when they really don't.
Sundren doesn't seem like that sort of place...but it happens.
If someone's openly evil..then..it's perfectly realistic to conflict with them. Haha, and it's usually pretty fun that way!

[Garfaldo]

I think once more areas are added to the mod where a sense of lawlessness and do-baddingness exists, it will make it easier for evil characters. Right now, the guards reach seems to extend everywhere and that doesn't make it feasible for most villans to be strutting around. There should be places where the righteous good have a very real fear of entering I have faith we'll be seeing them soon

[Priest of Asmodeus]

has any one ever read the comic book Battle Chasers? They had a town of lawlessness called vandalheim maybe there could be something like that ?
or now that sundren city will be on its way some underworld stuff.
hopefully sundren will be big enough to support urban only characters.