Level 9 spell: Permenant Level Decrease

[undeadsteak]

Im not sure what its called, but it decreases levels permenantly. Is this spell allowed?

[Pulseczar]

I believe the spell you are refering to is Energy Drain. It's not permanent. It temporarily lowers the PCs level by 2d4. This can be removed by a Restoration spell, potion, scroll, etc. Dying also removes it, I believe.

[Saulus]

Some spells with long-term effects like this I have always wanted to make persistent. IE you retain the curse or effects even after logging off. This makes it a much more involved process to remove things like this, and tends to increase the value of healers with these abilities.

As I have mentioned before, Sundren is not hardcore (though we do have the game difficulty set to hardcore because how certain spells function and NPCs will do criticals).

As for it permanently removing levels? I honestly can't see us ever doing something like that unless it was warranted on a PC for whatever reason.

[crazyjerren]

The spell name is Enervation (school necromancy, 1d4 level drain). It should be a temporary drain applying -1 to attack, saves, skill, ability, and level checks along with a loss of one spell per day at the highest spell level for casters per level drained. The drain can be removed with restoration or greater restoration.

[undeadsteak]

No, it is not enervation. There is a level 9 spell, your mixing it up. Acutally, i think it can be removed, EVEN the level 9 spell, which is permenant, with a Greater Restoration. Maybe you guys would like to try that out?

[GodBeastX]

Energy Drain?

[Forlorn]

Taken directly from the manual:

9th level Sorceror/Wizard Spells:
Energy Drain (necromancy): Target temporarily loses 2D4 levels.

[Jhiroth]

Energy Drain

Energy drain is like enervation, but stronger.

Enervation also drains levels, negative levels have a chance of permanently draining the victim?s levels, but the negative levels from enervation don?t last long enough to do so, energy drain's does.

[Jhiroth]

Energy drain

Taken directly from the manual:

I thought also that there is no saving throw to avoid gaining the negative levels, but 24 hours after gaining them, the subject must make a Fortitude saving throw (DC = energy drain spell?s save DC) for each negative level. If the save succeeds, that negative level is removed. If it fails, the negative level also goes away, but one of the subject?s character levels is permanently drained.

[crazyjerren]

Enervation is a level 4 wizard/sorcerer spell that causes 1d4 temporary level drain that can not last long enough to become permanent.

Energy Drain is a level 9 wizard/sorcerer spell that causes 2d4 temporary level drain and after 24 hours a fortitude save must be made for each temporary level drain or that level drain becomes a permanent level loss.

They are both a ranged touch attack with no save.

If the NWN2 manual is reverse then OE is thoroughly incompetent

[Forlorn]

I thought also that there is no saving throw to avoid gaining the negative levels, but 24 hours after gaining them, the subject must make a Fortitude saving throw (DC = energy drain spell?s save DC) for each negative level. If the save succeeds, that negative level is removed. If it fails, the negative level also goes away, but one of the subject?s character levels is permanently drained.

Thats a strong spell then, I didn't know it could permanently remove a level. Must have been a new change by Obsidian...

[undeadsteak]

The spell is pretty much a problem then.. leave it to Obsidian to put spells like that in game. And theres nothing even to reverse it.

[Pulseczar]

According to http://www.nwn2wiki.org/Energy_Drain
Energy Drain does have a save, and the effect is permanent.

[undeadsteak]

Ah, whatever. I just read the spell on my char, and it said permenant. I knew it!

[Tlantl]

The spell is pretty much a problem then.. leave it to Obsidian to put spells like that in game. And there's nothing even to reverse it.

Dude, it's a 9th level spell. If not for the harsh outcome why would it be so high a level.

It is also nothing to worry about for a few months any way. The main idea benhind such high level spells is for people to look at and dream. If the people at wizards would have looked at the game as it was written so long ago, they might have realized that their changes were going to ruin, rather than improve a complex but inconsistent game system.

For example: An elven magic user was limited to 11th level but only if his intelligence score was an 18. (There was no ability increase ever short of a wish or limited wish and those were restricted).

You reverse it by earning experience points.