Alignments - I am aligned, but I keep missing the mark

[Iceshard5]

Well see Undead lol thats the major difference for you, especially tormenting Ju in Aquor caves while invisable.. nice touch. I dont have anything to mask my appearance, and no store sells hood but maybe in the update I can find my self some nice stuff to get into and screw with some people un-noticed.

[Scourn]

*Cough* will still pay outragious ammounts of gold for a simple hood! >.> *Cough*

As for the alingments, over all I would say to say its pretty easy after spending 5 min talking to someone to tell their alingment, they make it obvious from what ive seen.

A Key thing if your playing evil is, dont think of what you do as evil, as a good evil never would. If you want to bring order and strctured goverment, but it will cost the lifes of hundreds and you will be employing slaves, so be it, a good evil should see that as a good thing to do. Well...thats more for lawful evil..but you get my point.

[GodBeastX]

*Cough* will still pay outragious ammounts of gold for a simple hood! >.> *Cough*

As for the alingments, over all I would say to say its pretty easy after spending 5 min talking to someone to tell their alingment, they make it obvious from what ive seen.

A Key thing if your playing evil is, dont think of what you do as evil, as a good evil never would. If you want to bring order and strctured goverment, but it will cost the lifes of hundreds and you will be employing slaves, so be it, a good evil should see that as a good thing to do. Well...thats more for lawful evil..but you get my point.

Good evil also knows they're evil too. Bane knew he was evil when he decided to take his power from Jergal. Time and place for everything is my feeling.

[Soulbadguy]

Thats it! im gonna make an evil character! After that dang expansion comes out... *whistles*

Not sure what kinda evil character i wanna play but maybe I'll get some advice from the DMs about a good evil "type" to bandwagon with.


There is also a difference between being evil and being annoying.. You don't have to be evil to "screw" with other characters. Unless your doing it sadisticaly to a point where it hurts or effects another negatively. Then your still looking to getting your arse kicked. I know it is all in game but woooo! i don't like when I have some evil character that just does mundane crap like throwing fireballs and running off.. or setting a dumb ass trap.. running off.. being sneaky and stealing your pie... steal my PIE! oh heck no!

[Scourn]

Thats it! im gonna make an evil character! After that dang expansion comes out... *whistles*

Not sure what kinda evil character i wanna play but maybe I'll get some advice from the DMs about a good evil "type" to bandwagon with.


There is also a difference between being evil and being annoying.. You don't have to be evil to "screw" with other characters. Unless your doing it sadisticaly to a point where it hurts or effects another negatively. Then your still looking to getting your arse kicked. I know it is all in game but woooo! i don't like when I have some evil character that just does mundane crap like throwing fireballs and running off.. or setting a dumb ass trap.. running off.. being sneaky and stealing your pie... steal my PIE! oh heck no!

Bane

[Cyrgon]

Question... I find alignment interpration varies in gaming groups.

A character willing to do evil to do evil for what he percieves as the "greater good" for . would that be neutral, or evil?

A PnP character of mine, having sworn to protect the kingdom, when he was knighted for his deeds, took that oath and duty very seriously.

He fought to uphold the ideals and safety of that kd, (KD would be LG emphasis on good more than law) taking large personal risks to encertain its safety, and was extremely loyal to his king and county... but would do things that would be evil in order to try to do good (killing a dozen innocent vitnesses in order to prevent diplomatic incident being reported, that quite possibly wouldve sparked a war with a much stronger nation is one example.)
The end sanctifies / excuses the means, could sum up his way of thinking here.

Of course if a good deed could solved the problem as surely as an evil act, hed prefer the former.

The character disliked doing evil, but had a "what needs to be done" attitude.

His idea being that his king should not be sullied by such knowledge, needing underlings that were willing to act where a king needed to keep clean.

Had the king asked him a direct question, hed may have replied something like "Are you sure you want to know, my liege? " and give all information if the king pressed on.

He never broke his word, he always avenged a wrong done to him. If sorely pressed, he would adhere to the letter of his word, but generally prefer following the spirit of it, and he did not lie (except by omission, or telling a misleading truth)

Also, this character was wery carefull with what he swore... as he always intended to keep his oaths.

In the campaign mentioned, that character was LN.
His traits were Lawful for sure, but with another interpretation of the alignment system i can easily see himn as LE too.

How'd he be rated here?

[GodBeastX]

Hell, I think bratty children are N/E and they don't do much

[Iceshard5]

aye.. come to the Bane side.. youll find plenty of people and its right there on a main plot line to

You know you want to....

All your friends do it...

Youll be popular...

your not cool if you dont do it...

Commmmmooooonnn...


Peer Pressure

Cheers

[LordPsycho]

Evil: someone stated today that as of today your perma-deathing evil charactors if a Paladin finds out. I can't say I realy aprove giving Paladins free range like that. Becides being 'evil' isn't a law breaker.

Now if your murdering childeren in the street, attacking the guards or doing something equaly stupid.. then yes, off with your head. But if my charactor is just going to be perma-deathed simply on the fact that he's 'evil' and not a likeable guy tell me now so I can find a new server to play on.

[Scourn]

I belive it was stated caught doing things like you have listed. Not being evil alingment. Alot of people have rolled evil chars and are being stupid about it so, death they get

[undeadsteak]

Yeah. Some people are abusing evil by random slaughter. Not cool. Now, torturing them and leaving them at a sniffling 1 health. Thats fun.

[Iceshard5]

Aye, if your goin to be an evil character, be bloody smart about it. Im an evil character and some even say Im being a little to open about it, though in RP most would pass me off as a valient goody goody type that helps others and sells valuable goods to others from my travels.

Dont be like one of those blokes in Sharahan camp attacking anything that doesnt share your ideal and then getting your bolluks in a twist when some hunting party comes after you or everyone knows you in a very bad way.
I have made some mistakes about divoulging information about my character to some, but if word ever got out about me.. Id had to rely on a reputation I established with the good guys to bail me out.

So please for the love of all that is good please be smart about playing evil. You wont be perma deathed randomly by some bloke right off the ship. Chances are if anyone kills you itd be Sarien, Ju, Tamera, Hans or one of those guys on their quest to purge evil from the lands (its just one of the main plots here) and then your death would be run by the DM's to verify perma death.


Cheers

[Felnak]

Question... I find alignment interpration varies in gaming groups.

A character willing to do evil to do evil for what he percieves as the "greater good" for . would that be neutral, or evil?

A PnP character of mine, having sworn to protect the kingdom, when he was knighted for his deeds, took that oath and duty very seriously.

He fought to uphold the ideals and safety of that kd, (KD would be LG emphasis on good more than law) taking large personal risks to encertain its safety, and was extremely loyal to his king and county... but would do things that would be evil in order to try to do good (killing a dozen innocent vitnesses in order to prevent diplomatic incident being reported, that quite possibly wouldve sparked a war with a much stronger nation is one example.)
The end sanctifies / excuses the means, could sum up his way of thinking here.

Of course if a good deed could solved the problem as surely as an evil act, hed prefer the former.

The character disliked doing evil, but had a "what needs to be done" attitude.

His idea being that his king should not be sullied by such knowledge, needing underlings that were willing to act where a king needed to keep clean.

Had the king asked him a direct question, hed may have replied something like "Are you sure you want to know, my liege? " and give all information if the king pressed on.

He never broke his word, he always avenged a wrong done to him. If sorely pressed, he would adhere to the letter of his word, but generally prefer following the spirit of it, and he did not lie (except by omission, or telling a misleading truth)

Also, this character was wery carefull with what he swore... as he always intended to keep his oaths.

In the campaign mentioned, that character was LN.
His traits were Lawful for sure, but with another interpretation of the alignment system i can easily see himn as LE too.

How'd he be rated here?

Cyrgon,

In my opinion...

Assuming there exists some Neutral ground between Good and Evil, I would say your char is LN. However, if no Neutral ground exists by definition, then I would say your char is LE.

That being said and continuing with the assumption of the existence of some Neutral ground between Good and Evil... Your char is following the wishes of a LG ruler but is willing to "do what needs to be done", which includes your example of killing innocents to prevent some diplomatic incident. This is obviously an evil act. Your char does many good acts and some evil acts. The evil acts commited are not the sort of premeditated acts that he relishes in. Simply, he does what he sees must be done. I believe that leaves the char in the middle ground of LN. However, if that char was plotting murders and relishing in the destruction of human life, he would certainly be LE. Under another method, your char may be classified as LN with Evil tendencies. This may actually be more accurate.

These alignments are not exact; a range of variance exists. Not every character's alignment fits exactly in the center of the box. For example, not every LG character is strict LG... some may edge toward NG and/or toward LN. Additionally, a LG character, even a paladin, will not have a LG alignment as polarized as a Solar or an ultra LG god.

Of course, examples may be constructed that are exceedingly difficult to catagorize based on the assumptions stated. One must make the call on a case by case basis.

Felnak