Alignments - I am aligned, but I keep missing the mark

[GodBeastX]

Guess what, your alignments are constantly shifting. They will continue to shift. I will be shifting them. Sundren has a rule, if you shift away from required alignment for a class, you lose that class. You're not an ex-bard if you shift lawful, you're no longer a bard.

One thing that concerns me about alignments is that there are very few neutrals on the server. Oh, there's people who PICKED neutral. I'm just wondering why all the neutrals on the server are on paladin quests to stop evil and running around doing good all the time? If you want your alignment to be dynamic, it's not a problem, I'll just be shifting to good However, I just don't understand it otherwise.

I'd think L/N would care about the law more than anything else, and C/N would care about freedom more than anything else. C/N people seem to care about the things a L/G would care about and L/N seems to care about the same things.

This isn't a "You're all doing it wrong" thread since people are getting shifted all over the place for me. It's more of an awareness thread.

Evil that does only good is going to shift to good. Sorry, just because you picked evil as your alignment doesn't mean you're going to stay that way.

Good who is oppressing and tyranical is going to shift toward Evil... maybe even joint he church of bane.

Neutrals who start getting into the Good/Evil parts of the game heavy are going to shift one way or the other.

First person to turn from C/E to L/G wins the internet.

[Garidas]

So, a Paladin cannot become a Fallen Paladin / Blackguard?

[Echelon13]

A paladin can become a fighter/blackguard and thus achieve the same result.

[undeadsteak]

Cool. I'm sure we'll see ALOT more evil now. >_>.

[Iceshard5]

... Well I try to be both in some cases.. but only because my Character follows his own codes and has to play a good part from time to time to avoid to much suspicion. Though what he does is gather information for his own diety.. he also has friends on both sides of the Alignment curve, and keeps them apart till he has to do something about it (I have already killed one campion with Tes as due to orders from a Diety faction leader, and hunt another as we speak)

I dont know the whole alignment game has been a grey area for quite some time with everyone and their own oppinions on how to portray it.. I took L/N for example to follow Honor, and his own set of codes--I think in the description L/N doesnt care to much about the lands laws as he does his own or something of that matter--But as I said, I do a little bit of both, but not a lot of good stuff, and even when on Good missions, I still act Neutral.. like raising some dead people, I make them pay their share after we have completed the quests (did this with two people on the Rescue mission of McLePaughn's daughter)


I just hope its the balance you are talking about because I love playing my character the way he is.

Cheers!

[Machiavelli]

Well, my C/N character does things that would be considered 'Good' and also things that would be considered 'Evil', but he doesnt think about them that way and does them for entirely his own reasons (largely concerned with freedom, as GBX rightly stated re: C/N characters motives above). He might go on a Paladinny type quest if it suits his motives, but he's just as likely to decide that Paladins are a nasty bunch and try to undermine them (depending on how they behave). But, this means that people meeting him could well decide (reasonably but wrongly) that he's either 'good' or 'evil'. So, I agree that people might seem to be (and may well actually be) doing things inconsistent with their alignments, but it's not always completely clear cut.

Happy to see a post on this though, as RPing alignment is one of those things that can become a bit mixed up, and I'd agree that people need to give it ongoing consideration

[GodBeastX]

I get a better Vantage point from DM ^_^

I rarely take other people's views of others into consideration. Nothing cracks me up more when someone goes "Meet Jack! He's a friendly guy!" And Jack is C/E with someone's blood on his pack, shaking hands with the introduced individual.

People can be way off it seems ^_^

[Soulbadguy]

Im thinking of playing an evil character after Motb is officialy on this server.. Only reason I am waiting :P. Just haven't decided on what I wanna be.


I've been playing an evil character on a NWN server that "acts" good for the reason of gaining prestige.. forcing to only do some good deeds at the opportune time to be "noticed" .

I would at least say you could let a DM know your intentions of your character if you feel that the "good deed" you may do is only to benefit an evil or selfish desire.

[Ithildin]

Im thinking of playing an evil character after Motb is officialy on this server.. Only reason I am waiting :P. Just haven't decided on what I wanna be.


I've been playing an evil character on a NWN server that "acts" good for the reason of gaining prestige.. forcing to only do some good deeds at the opportune time to be "noticed" .

I would at least say you could let a DM know your intentions of your character if you feel that the "good deed" you may do is only to benefit an evil or selfish desire.

Thats one of the kinds of evils I like, the smart kind that gets a good public view on them by doing something good infront of a large group then going off doing their evil stuff when they aren't going to be watched, instead of the ones that run around flaunting their evil. Its the type of evil that will survive and succeed more often and makes the betrayal that comes when you finally expose yourself more unexpected.

[GodBeastX]

You don't have to run around flaunting your evil to be evil or even shift to evil.

For god followers, look at it this way. Your gods don't want you to pretend your worshippers of other gods because they gain absolutely nothing from that, and evil gods definitely love to gain. In fact, it's helping good gods look better alot of times.

"I'm waiting for the opportune time to strike, but until then, I'm going to heal all my god's enemies, and pat them on the back, telling them I am their buddy, and feeding their hungry kids... wait, where's the evil plot in all of this?"

That's what I see all the time I'm sure Bane, the god of Tyranny and Fear loves how you use neither in his name... or even not use his name at all.

[undeadsteak]

Being smart and evil and hiding gets boring! Flaunt ur uber evil. . But yeah, evil stuff in secret meh.. Sure. If you wana live for a long time. I find it boring after a while. Im so secretly evil, but i dont haveanyone to gloat to!

[Stratigo]

Heh what about preists of Shar... I mean her hole philosophy is about secrets and stuff.

Anyways I think there should be a good reason if you are doing the whole wolf in sheep's clothing thing. Maybe you are a spy for some group. Maybe you're planning to off the king, but need to get close enough. Don't do good for the sake of hiding, have a reason to hide (Beyond "I don't want them to kill me" you could easily be a complete ass and those good guys won't touch you.)

[Iceshard5]

Well if you get in closer with your enemies, it helps you in a major way later on (in effect and other issues) when you betray them. Thats the whole things Im going for, but also Ive been tagging along with some of the "good guys" because they sometimes lead me to stuff that benefits me....
EXAMPLE:

The goblin catapult fire on Sharahan Hills Camp was lead by a cleric of Bane in the lower levels of Spittlefist Caves. I helped the group of adventurers get down there, then when I realized the Cleric was an ally (and superior) I helped him slaughter the whole lot of the them.. took their bodies back up to camp, and played it off like I killed the cleric, and they all had fallen in combat.

Another time....

I was with Sarien, Jaus, Isendel, Myrddin, Daye, Alyrian in an abandonned house in Aquor hunting a vampire. Well we run through all these undead minions fighting for our lives (everyone saw their share of the ground) and finally get to this Vampire Lord. --Oh look she follows Cyric, and is a high up in the chain from the looks of things--So we kill her, YES this makes me look to be on the good side in so many ways, but on my gods side (Bane) I look even better for killing one of his most hated things.

Last one...


A resque mission was set out in the mountains of Aquor for some Nobles Daughter, and a reward was offered. In some respects this could be seen as a good deed, but in my mind, I was after the favoring of a nobles house in a city. With that I could use that house as an ally, for them to find rare goods for me, or pull influence where it may be needed.




all of those things increased trust amoung the good guys, but at the same time, I was gaining just as much if not more in the name of Bane. It sucks to hide all the time and not say anything about being evil, but in some ways if everyone knows your evil, what will you do then? Almost no one will group with you, you cant relax by the fire anymore because people will constantly be looking to kill you..just a lot of things go wrong if you release that your evil to soon.


Thats just my insight on everything
Cheers

[GodBeastX]

I realized I didn't type out my whole point on my last post.

My point was, have an actual plan, don't just make it "I need to stay alive!" DMs will be trying to give you points where you can flex your god without worrying about Do-gooders coming after you, but if you don't take the opportunity, you're going to get sat on and pooped on

Use some manipulation! Push people in wrong directions subtley, get it to a point where everyone is eatting out of your hand! I don't see this much but would love to.

[undeadsteak]

HEh. IMO, i can still find people to group with if i go straight out evil. They're out there. ;.; I'd agree, don't realise that your evil too soon.. Your likely to get pwned if you can't survive. Luckily, i can go invis and torment people without them knowing who i am! ^_-