Concerning Tiefling

[undeadsteak]

All right, everyones going off on Warlocks n all, seeing as they used fiendish magic, but ive seen people being kind to Tieflings. TIEFLINGS. They have devil or Demon blood, much worse then simply a pact with a devil. Yet I see most people being nice to them. What makes a warlock and tiefling different? THey're both related to devils and demons, and yet people are all kill the warlock, but tieflings are pretty much just as bad...

[dashminus]

I can tell you right now that my character does not tolerate Tieflings because of their "fiendish" blood (and some backstory) and have several times IC around the miners campfire act appropriately towards a few. But when the Sgt (DM?) and most others there stick up for them and tell me to leave them alone, I leave.

I was under the impression that they, like Drow were to be reacted negetively towards.

In fact, I seem to remember a DM saying in the Shout channel as he/she was leaving to: "Make the server more realistic today, treat Tieflings bad" or something of that nature. I can't remember the exact wording, but it was something close to that.

Anyhow, I know what you are saying.

[nutranurse]

Well, just think about it:

If a person in the Faerun world sees something unnatural (i.e. anything with 'bad blood') They will regard it with suspicion and generally be mean to it because people fear what they do not know.
Not to mention, in Faerun entire races can be evil, and blood holds alot of sway (racsim IS tolerated in Faerun! All that acceptance crap in the real world dies as soon as the Forgotten Realms are concerned :P)


So in short: Treat a Tiefling bad, until you get to know them of course

[Iceshard5]

It was GBX saying "Remember to treat your local Tieflings and Aasimars with hatred, Ill be handing out cool points"

So basically any of the ECL's have some sort of negativity with them.. I on the other hand pay no attention to them as they could be a nice ally later on in the plots that lie ahead

I dont act negative towards them, but im not goin to hold hands with them either.

[undeadsteak]

Even if you can get to know them. THey're devil or demon blooded. Close to being as bad as drow, and they can simply stab you in the back.. All evil acts friendly if smart.

[Scourn]

First, I agree, they are pretty close to being like warlocks so they should have the same hate if not more. I think it has to deal with what DMs do. No one payed any mind to Warlocks until DMs had NPCs paladins go "We are here to capture all warlocks and change them or kill them." After that PCs all became anti warlock. There should be paladins doing the same thing for tieflings. Once/if a DM does this, id be willing to bet everyone will be anti tiefling, which is what the world should be to begin with.

[Kaybrie]

What?

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Tieflings... Worse then Warlocks?

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No please, tell me how something having fine traces of fiendish blood somewhere in their ancestry so faint that it only manifests itself in minor ways like horns, and a smoking habit, as opposed to a warlock, whom willingly has and commonly does continue to associates with fiends on a common basis?!

Tieflings are viewed with suspicion and prejudice, the most basic and lowly warlock is hated and feared more then the most powerful necromancers! Because it really is a matter of choice that most adventurers understand.

Tieflings being comparable to DROW?! What the hell is that? Drow are a society based around murder and bloodshed, Tieflings are merely a part of a society that hates them. Hence why Warlocks are more KoS in Sundren whilst Tieflings are just Hate on sight?

Seriously, bad comparisons galore in this thread... I can kinda see the initial point, 'treat Tieflings badly.' Which I agree with, but come up with some realistic comparison, don't pick something generally hated more with good reason and say "These are what you should treat them like" because you have an opinion, that you apparently want to force upon others.

[Gothic Rose]

I agree with Kasso.

I'm not even a fan of how the game makes tieflings look. I have always pictured Tieflings as looking almost totally human, except for perhaps skin color or eye/hair color, with perhaps a minor deformity - like vestigial clawed fingers or extra sharp teeth. Not people with full on horns and tails.

Tieflings are reviled and most common folk would mistrust them at best and hunt them at worst.

PCs aren't common folk. PCs are PCs. Common folk don't usually get past level 5.

Plus, there's also the OOC fact that by downing on Tieflings, you're being racist, and many people hate being seen as racist, even in a game environment. It's a behavior I've seen quite a lot.

[nutranurse]

As you said, Kasso, Tiefling and Aasimar are hate on site because of
A) Fear of the unknown
B)Unknown blood origin (well... we know that it is demonic/infernal or celestial, but still. Most people, even most adventurers, will never meet a celestial or demon/devil)



And Rose: It is the forgotten realms :P
Perfectly fine to be racist here.
Get rid of the poop you have learned in the Real World. Also there is no communism, socialism (true socialism), Green-Party (druids are there for BALANCE.... common misconception that they are all nature-loving freaks), etc.
Still yet to have seen the MLK or Malcolm X of Tiefling (and may the gods protect us when we do @_@..... the Tiefling equivalent of Malcolm X would be.... *shudders*)
And this is coming from someone who is half-black!

[Ithildin]

I agree with Kasso's post Tieflings are no where near as bad as warlocks are, they don't choose to associate with devils/demons to get horns and a bit of resistance. They aren't trusted and feared by the common folk which might cause them to attack or try to drive them out of their community but they aren't on the same level as a warlock in that area.

A family could have someone who was part demon/devil in their family a long time ago that they never met and end up with a tiefling baby because the blood is in them. It skips generations kinda like medical problems, your grandmother might have some sort of medical problem while your mother doesn't get it, you still can. So they aren't even close to being as bad as someone who makes a pact with a demon/devil for corrupted power.

[Scourn]

And some warlocks dont chooce to make pacts, their dad/mother/ aunt someone else could have made the pact and they are stuck with it to. Simple point is, everyone is going " Hey tieflings are my friends! Oh no a warlock kill it!!!" Lets get a little more realistic here....

[Ithildin]

There has been a long talk about warlocks and thier powers, the dms stance on it is that just about every warlock has gained their power from demons/devils in Sundren. So lets not get into that arguement again.

Also noone is saying be nice to tieflings they are saying they aren't higher up on the list then warlocks are like undead was saying.

[Satoshi]

More or less, I agree with Kasso and Gothic Rose. Tieflings, and Aasimar, are not even close to the level of fear and revulsion as Drow, or even orcs and goblins and other savage, evil races. They are mostly human with background traces of something else that make people kinda creeped out and suspicious. People who find out the heritage will likely be even more suspicious and untrusting. Tieflings are openly harrassed, rotten food thrown at them, etc. but such things are also commonly done to Half-orcs. Aasimar are called freaks, and treated like lesser humans because they are different, inhumane. It's the basic racism.

Warlocks, on the other hand, are attached to a long line of preconcieved notions that are, by the nature, founded accusations. Being a warlock is like being a necromancer, with all of the hate magnified. And, a lot of you people may not know it, but sorcerors are also, in FR canon, feared and mistrusted as much as any necromancer under the premise that most are inherantly power-hungry, lack control, and destructive.

There's bound to be a lot of hate against warlocks, necromancers, and other beings that use abilities that are visibly manifested as dark power from a commoner's standpoint. Openly doing so is bound to get people riled up, and said warlock/necromancer/etc killed.

There's bound to be racism against people with tainted blood. They'll be distrusted, treated bad, and worse in some place. However, the vast majority of people won't openly act against such creatures in a murderous fashion due to the human blood that gives them a chance at being 'normal'. In certain societies, theres no problem with killing people because of their mixed heritage. Sundren only has that policy on half-drow, thus far, though evil tieflings may change that in the future.

[Kaybrie]

And some warlocks dont chooce to make pacts, their dad/mother/ aunt someone else could have made the pact and they are stuck with it to. Simple point is, everyone is going " Hey tieflings are my friends! Oh no a warlock kill it!!!" Lets get a little more realistic here....

Here is the thing, even if a warlock is stuck with that pact, they are in no way forced to use their powers. And any warlock whom continues to level up in it, is essentially showing that they're happy to draw upon support from the nine hells. A Tiefling doesn't level up its race, it never chose to be a Tiefling and it never acts further upon it... Because face it; there's nothing it can do about it.

Most adventurers are happy to make friends with Tieflings... Honestly, go pick up some Forgotten realms books sometime... Just because a Tiefling is a Tiefling dosn't mean it's kill on sight, it's mistrusted. Now you ought to stop telling other people how to play their characters kthx bai.

[dashminus]

As stated in the Tiefling description:

Like aasimar, tieflings are part human, but they are infused with fiendish, not celestial blood. Because they are descended from EVIL outsiders, those who know their ancestry immediately consider most thieflings evil and untrustworthy. Some tieflings have minor physical traits suggesting their heritage, such as pointed teeth, red eyes, small horns, the odor of brimstone, cloven feet, or just an unnatural aura of wrongness. Those descended from an infernal minion often carry a birthmark of the diety's holy symbol or another trait related to that evil faith.

Based off of this description, any person IC that happened upon a tiefling would react negetively. Realistcally, most people react to plain human strangers with caution. Now throw into it horns, brimstone, tails, or a unnatural aura. I'm sorry, but I would definately react more negetive to a tiefling than an elf. Evil is in the genes. I would imagine most people would never being willing to get to know the offspring of some evil entity. Tolerate at best.

My too cents.