Writing

[Elusa]

Wow. That's just a general rule that you don't break the flow of dialogue with OOC arguments. Doing it like that is borderline meta-gaming. To that I would respond with the polite equivalent of "I don't give a shit." At least IC it could be made reasonable.

Personally, if I forget something, I RP it as my character forgetting. I figure my character has around the same IQ as me (not invitation to snoop, DMs), so her memory should be pretty similar. So like I said, I keep mine as a "just in case" safety measure. Maybe I'm writing and I forget something important that happened. Or I come back from a reset with temporary amnesia and need to remember where the conversation left off.

For lying, I would only use it for OOC lies. For paladins, I prefer to leave matters up to the DMs. Sometimes the character may not be intentionally lying.

[BubbaCornbread]

I would feel honored if my character was in some ones RP posts/stories. I feel it adds to the flavor of the server and can enhance future RP sessions.

I would be careful of the God-modding.

I look forward to reading your posts.

[Mishtakob]

Logs help for when people are lying about something, be it IC or otherwise. Especially if it's a paladin. They should get an alignment change.

To note, chat logs (as they are a simple text file) are easily modifiable so due to that they lose credibility if presented as a form of 'concrete evidence'.

[Elusa]

To note, chat logs (as they are a simple text file) are easily modifiable so due to that they lose credibility if presented as a form of 'concrete evidence'.

[Talleyman99] Bram Drismon: [Talk] I am a fluffy penguin.

QED. Spoiler: He never said that.

[Shadechild]

To note, chat logs (as they are a simple text file) are easily modifiable so due to that they lose credibility if presented as a form of 'concrete evidence'.

That's why you take screenshots.

[Mishtakob]

That's why you take screenshots.

Pretty much this, if the subject in question is dealing with OoC related issues with other players and the staff, and preferably with an expanded view of the text to see what came before and what came after. Still, not to hijack the discussion from the original post, think that's all what could be said on the subject of chat logs and screencaps here.

[Doubtful]

Logs help for when people are lying about something, be it IC or otherwise. Especially if it's a paladin. They should get an alignment change.

Aside from that, yes, they are a double edged sword.

A character calling another character out for something should be an IC action, the moment someone does brings up info OOCly they've broken the moment and left everyone else hanging.

Let's look at that first example:

Char 1: IC statement regarding opinions
Char 2: Conflicting statement.
Char 1: ///But yesterday you said something else, I've got the logs.

How's Character 2 supposed to respond? Nothing's been said IC for them to respond to, all Character 1 has done is thrown down a drama grenade and taken an conversation between two characters and turned it into a personal conflict between two players.

KEEP IT IC

How much better is an IC response:

Char 1: IC statement regarding opinions
Char 2: Conflicting statement.
Char 1: *smugly* you've changed your tune, yesterday you said it was pink.

Brilliant! Character 1 can respond ICly, he can be flustered, indignant, whatever! The conversation remains in character, there's no dramabomb, it's not personal it's playing!

Same goes for rules and laws - Maybe that character is deliberately misinterpriting the written laws of of the land, or perhaps they're just not the brightest tool in the box. The only thing that quoting the laws OOCly is going to do is make the quoter look like a total tool and kill the RP.

Just think, whenever you type /// (or whatever you use for OOC commenting) Is there a way I can deal with this IC? Chances are their is, and it'll be better for everyone involved!

[cmosier]

Logs help for when people are lying about something, be it IC or otherwise. Especially if it's a paladin. They should get an alignment change.

Aside from that, yes, they are a double edged sword.

They do not help PCs find out who is lying. They should be a DM tool only. Although, if I know somebody is going to waste my RP with chat logs, I at least know to limit contact with that person. DMs, as always, are excluded.

[Shadechild]

A character calling another character out for something should be an IC action, the moment someone does brings up info OOCly they've broken the moment and left everyone else hanging.

Let's look at that first example:



How's Character 2 supposed to respond? Nothing's been said IC for them to respond to, all Character 1 has done is thrown down a drama grenade and taken an conversation between two characters and turned it into a personal conflict between two players.

KEEP IT IC

How much better is an IC response:


Brilliant! Character 1 can respond ICly, he can be flustered, indignant, whatever! The conversation remains in character, there's no dramabomb, it's not personal it's playing!

Same goes for rules and laws - Maybe that character is deliberately misinterpriting the written laws of of the land, or perhaps they're just not the brightest tool in the box. The only thing that quoting the laws OOCly is going to do is make the quoter look like a total tool and kill the RP.

Just think, whenever you type /// (or whatever you use for OOC commenting) Is there a way I can deal with this IC? Chances are their is, and it'll be better for everyone involved!

I generally stay IC until someone else goes OOC. Have I personally offended you or something to warrant such a retort?

They do not help PCs find out who is lying. They should be a DM tool only. Although, if I know somebody is going to waste my RP with chat logs, I at least know to limit contact with that person. DMs, as always, are excluded.

As if Sundren didn't already have a terrible Clique problem. Gee.

[Phantom Lamb]

If you enjoy writing lots of stuff, go for it!

But, remember that prose is not a substitute for "job aid" material. By that, I mean the shorthand items you do on the forum that need to be concise for the staff - bios and character requests, for example. You can use it as supporting documentation - point back to a long story you wrote as the base for a character request is a good way to do that. However, bios and actionable items that are cumbersome and lengthy will probably turn off some of the staff when they need to use it.

[GodBeastX]

Everyone has too good of a memory. I forget shit. Sometimes I might be lying unintentionally.

"You, GBX, that's not what you said before!"

"WHOOPS!"

Really, I'm not all that interested in shifting alignments and causing arguments and fights over it. Certain things are easier to do and accomplish as a DM when you are around a table of buddies playing then when you are around an MMO playing (See what I did there Lotus?)

Honestly, correcting lies OOC is more irritating than anything. I had the privilege of an NPC lying to a player and they sent me a mistell with disgruntled feelings on it because they took it as law, and I'm like "Nice mistell, but you realize NPCs lie, right?"

Nothing kills your motive to DM faster than disgruntled people murmuring about a plot and not bothering to simply clear the whole thing up by telling you "Hey, I didn't enjoy this" instead of rumor mongering <_<

[cmosier]

As if Sundren didn't already have a terrible Clique problem. Gee.

My RP time is quite valuable. I have to handle a lot of different things IC. I welcome and enjoy the opportunity and effort of being a faction leader. However, there are still other things I'd like to do as well. Wasting 2 to 3 hours talking OOCly about chat logs is not one of them. I'm pretty accommodating when it comes to Sense Motive rolls. And yes... I'm getting up there in years. I've two kids... I'm going to forget things. Even then... You're sensing a motive for the current question. I'll give you an answer based on the character's thoughts about the question.

We should probably start or move this to another thread for Fuzzy.

[Doubtful]

I generally stay IC until someone else goes OOC. Have I personally offended you or something to warrant such a retort?

It ain't all about you princess

I was just expanding on my previous post, it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular (well, it was aimed at people who use OOC stuff excessively or with no reason, but them generally rather than any specific individual).

[Fuzziebunny]

Thank you all for the input! I think I will simply email what I am going to write about said individual to said individual first. If you feel it is hurtful to you on an ooc level, for whatever reason, then I will not post it. All you need to do is bust out the red line primary school style. Maybe make a polite note like, "This Sucks! " Or something along thoses lines and kindly send it back. This way there are no feelings that I, as the player, am attempting to ruin anyone's RP because of some weird ooc thing.

You all have been so awesome again, I really appreciate the input.

[sonuvalich]

It ain't all about you princess

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