(((OOC Thread))) For All Members and Friends of the Corps de Grace

[Dave Fritz]

((( OOC thread. )))
Hello, everyone,
Since it didn't work by trying to get folks together in-game, (http://www.sundren.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19157) I'll make one last try with an OOC thread.

We need to work out a future direction for the Corps. Please respond with ideas that we can hash out.

With little or no response, the Corps is probably going to fold. This is a personal assessment, but realistic, I think.

To start the discussion, here are some continuation possibilities:
1) Work to reclaim Sestra and expel the Baneites.
2) Become a general stealth/spy organization dedicated to the reclamation of Sundren and available for assignments.
3) Same as the above, but as mercenaries for hire.
4) Adopt another town (Port Aventhyr's the only real possibility) and abandon Sestra.

Other possibilities:
1) Get folded into the Legion, the Triumvirate or another post-Second Sundering faction.
2) Just fold, leaving everyone to find their own new faction.
3) Totally remake (and rename) the Corps. This will really take some great new ideas.

Any and all other ideas are most welcome.

These lists are by no means exhaustive. Keep in mind that at present the Corps is the only faction that provides a good fit for Chaotic Good characters and those of similar alignment. Appropriate and/or desired alignments should be part of the discussion.

[thaelis]

Sorry if I'm not supposed to comment on this as I'm not a Corps member, if so please delete this post haste!

1) From an IC point of view this makes perfect sense, but OOC I don't think its going to happen. The Banites are the main evil faction, and they just got their spiffy new Exarch castle, I don't think the staff would allow them to be overthrown any time in the near future
2) Seems the most logical
3) Isn't this out of character for u goody-two-shoeses? :P
4) Also a decent possibility, becoming a sailor-themed high seas band of merry men. Arr!!

Folded into the Legion would be ok, but then they would just have all the same gear and ranks as the Legion right? Which makes this less varied and a little more boring. They already have a store etc of their own, may as well keep them I say Plus they clearly have some dedicated players... Anyway, thats my two cents.

EDIT: Hehe, I meant delete this post post haste

[Dave Fritz]

Sorry if I'm not supposed to comment on this as I'm not a Corps member, if so please delete this post haste!
(snip)
EDIT: Hehe, I meant delete this post post haste

I think you qualify under the "Friends" category.
Thanks for the input.

[ManUtd4Ever]

I would not support being folded into the Legion. Too much Napoleon's Corporal.

The reason I had two characters join CdG is because they wanted to be affliated with the Aribiter's Alliance and otherwise couldn't get into Helm or the Holy Three because of their Deity choice.

From this perspective, I could see CdG morph into a military order endorsed by Helm and the Holy Three, and made up of individuals who swear felty to a high adjudicator or an NPC Paladin. Akin to the original Templars, rename CdG to the "Order of the Just," or the like. Create a faction quest making a new member take an oath to fight and stamp out evil throughout Sundren.

This Order could provide spies, scouts, trackers, healers, fighters, etc... to support Sundren's Paladins to serve the forces of good.

My two cents anyways...

Cheers!

[Catastrophe]

Helm is affiliated with the Legion now, fyi.

[Talleyman99]

Helm is part of the legion faction now just to point that out, with people saying helm should back them. Isnt the only reason the CdG was apart of the triad was cause one members faith? The whole time I've played on sundren. The CdG seemed like a "why is there here faction" I know it's had it's heyday but to me those days seem past I believe the faction died the day Crion quit as far as i know he was the last championing it. Those are my never being in the faction views I could be wrong not trying to foo foo the faction.

as for it moving forward... I dont see a good place for it to fit other then having a "group" that is friendly to sundren but not legion and not faith based. That is the only faction I feel is missing on the server. So long as it does not try to become the the new veriatas

[Torgar]

The CdG was supposed to be the Sestra militia. Now that Sestra's been taken, I don't really see the CdG surviving. The corps burned a lot of bridges with the Legion repeatedly when Cirion was in charge, so I'm not sure if the Legion would want to include the few remaining corps members into it's ranks. I believe the only course that makes sense is to move to Avanthyr, and simply rename yourselves. Fresh start. None of the old leadership that made the CdG is around anymore, so I think you would all be far better served renaming it to reflect the new leadership and find a direction other then just being a town militia.

They could become a new headquarters for good aligned adventurers who go out to fight evils just because that's what good adventurers do. Nothing like the Triad who does it for justice, or the Legion who does it because they're the army and have to, but just good people who do good things to be good. There are a lot of folk who don't know what faction to join as good guys, when they aren't lawful. The corps could become the new home for good folk who aren't lawful who just want to help others, fight monsters, and just generally be good without religion or law being huge factors in it all. Just my thoughts on it.

[Chocolate Radio]

As input from someone on the side, if any of such may be approved of here, if there is any notion of remaking the Corps, it may be worth noting the options that other factions represent and instead filling in the gaps in order to draw in a yet to be faction-represented character mentality. Perhaps there may be interest in a Harpers-like organization. Good, but on a more philosophical level rather than a dogmatic version, with much less Lawful-focus that the current good-sided factions seem to have. Hell, with the loss of Sestra, and lacking resources, maybe the Corps may receive funds from, or even join with the Harpers. Just my two rubles.

EDIT: Looks like Torgar beat me to the punch. :P

[roguethree]

Nonreligious adventuring guild for neutral-to-good-leaning PCs.

The Legion's not down with the Corps, and the Triad's not going to put its name on something that isn't explicitly promoting Triadic values. However, the server has no solution for the decent-minded, nonsoldier, nonreligious PC. You'd catch a lot of drifting characters with that environment.

[Gamling]

DM Edit: Comment removed.

[TheFarsight]

DM Edit: Comment removed.

[Nwilmen]

Torgar and Chocolate Radio have summed up a couple of points that I think make the most sense for the Corps right now, and several plotlines already seem to be converging upon them.

The server could really use a neutral/good, chaotic faction, and team Meriadoc has already drawn a handful of characters who want to help Sundren, but don't have religion or lawful duty in their personalities to motivate them. Since the Corps de Grace has already been relocated to the Port by Meriadoc's invitation, it seems natural that the men and women of the faction would settle into new lives there.

In game, Evelyn has been actively seeking not only to improve the Port, but the west side of the valley where Legion presence is lowest and the Banite threat is localized. If the Corps were to combine with a portion of the Meriadoc's guard to form a new faction, separate from the noble house, they would be more than a town militia, but would seek an active role in stamping out threats on the valley floor.

I think Chocolate Radio hit the nail on the head by mentioning the Harpers, which is the same thought that occured to me the more I thought of a Corps/Meriadoc faction. The server already has factions that make sense for clerics and fighters, and while they'd have uses here, I see this faction being a home for more diverse builds and skill sets, especially dex-based fighters and neutral/good rogues.

Besides Mirakus Post, Port Avanthyr is the last town on the ground that isn't controlled by evil-aligned entities, so with the aid of a local faction, it could really develop into a hub of both RP and economy for those without a city pass.

[thaelis]

I think Chocolate Radio hit the nail on the head by mentioning the Harpers, which is the same thought that occured to me the more I thought of a Corps/Meriadoc faction. The server already has factions that make sense for clerics and fighters, and while they'd have uses here, I see this faction being a home for more diverse builds and skill sets, especially dex-based fighters and neutral/good rogues.

Besides Mirakus Post, Port Avanthyr is the last town on the ground that isn't controlled by evil-aligned entities, so with the aid of a local faction, it could really develop into a hub of both RP and economy for those without a city pass.

Agreed! I would also like to note that since the Vale has been disbanded, there is virtually no faction for CG characters. Rangers, Bards etc those who wouldn't jive with the strict regulations of the Legion, who don't want to be forced to kill based on a superior's command (obviously there are some who seem to fit well, but I like to think they are the minority rather than the rule)

[Doubtful]

Future of the CdG.

Some interesting suggestions so far.

I don't think having them folded into the Legion would work, essentially it would mean a total loss of identity and absorbtion into the 10th Legion for all of the characters. The CdG just simply wouldn't have the oomph to retain its own structure.

Retaking Sestra. Not impossible, but would require some really serious work and it wouldn't be quick.

Becoming a paladin order, or triadic hanger on. I'm not sure that'd work, the roots of the CdG and the ongoing nature of the group is very much a whimsical chaotic group. Plus there's hardly a lack of militaristic groups around.

The Harpers. They're an odd group and are having a fun little schism in game-time. I could see them possibly coming in as a behind the scenes ally if the CdG and RP pushed that way, but I don't see them as popping up to help found a new group.

Overall I agree with those who've suggested the CdG reform in Avanthyr. There is a bit of void for the chaotic/neutral/good characters who arent overtly religious or militaristic. Having a newly shaped CdG filling this void as a bunch of thigh slapping, buckswashling doers of daring do and general doers of good(ish) deeds is quite nice.

I also see no issue with shedding the past and changing the groups name.

Finally, I think whatever happens to the group it should happen from a PC driven perspective. Tery/Dave has done a great job of breathing fresh life into the CdG despite some fairly horrendous goings on. I'd rather see him and other characters found something new and good, rather than us bring in an outside bunch of NPCs to reshape things.

Too much Napoleon's Corporal.

Gah! I have to ask, what does Napoleon's Corporal have to do with the Legion? AFAIK the big mans corporal is a lesson in ensuring that the top tiers of government/business/military shouldn't become to detached from the actual workface. Just wondering if you had a different interpretation?

[ManUtd4Ever]

Gah! I have to ask, what does Napoleon's Corporal have to do with the Legion? AFAIK the big mans corporal is a lesson in ensuring that the top tiers of government/business/military shouldn't become to detached from the actual workface. Just wondering if you had a different interpretation?

In the context of operational planning, the idiom is synonymous with K.I.S.S. [keep it simple, stupid]. No more, no less.

As far as ensuring that top tiers of government/business/military shouldn't become too detached from the actual workforce... Napoleon's Corporal presumes junior or enlisted members are not competent. So I didn't interpret it this way.

Cheers!