General Plea - Be Searchable

[Kaeldorn]

While I understand the sentiment, in your own quote, root:

We put the toggle searchable in there to help prevent this behavior

Turning searchable off while in dangerous areas to avoid getting backstabbed is an intended use of the feature.

It'd be good if people switched it back on when they are chilling in civilised places, though.

[Root]

Dosen't hold water when I look at the 10 people online with 2 searchable, and none are significant faction members.

Sorry if I seem to be raging slightly, but I play multiplayer because of the other people, be they friends or enemies.

The ability to socialise is more important to me than the off-chance that someone will break rules and I'll lose a little XP or gold for it.

[DM_Acorn]

I have been on when Root is on. One reported person with like 7-9 on server. It can be frustrating, true. My advice to those looking for folks is to send a tell. I have said it before and I will say it again this is OK.

There are great times for use of the search tool. There are times it is better it is not on. We leave it to personal choice.

I admire your plea, and wish others had your come what may attitude.

I will tell you this, a bunch of folk ALL out soloing does little to inspire a DM when s/he logs in. So Root's thoughts have a lot of merit.

[Verrath]

I will tell you this, a bunch of folk ALL out soloing does little to inspire a DM when s/he logs in. So Root's thoughts have a lot of merit.

This.

Having been on the DM end myself on more than one server, I can totally sympathize.

[DM_Acorn]

*Nods* Root's suggestion would improve this.

Though personally I would encourage players in DM events to switch it off. Avoids folk congregating. It is hard enough to manage 3-5 players with out having a new PC "just happen by" every five minutes.

Again, search or unsearchable - your choice. Just know, folks like Root are going to get more DM time.

Added note: Make sure you post on your CvC interactions when DM's aren't on. A short update in RP gives us DM's stuff to work with and even reward actions we weren't there to witness. (sometimes)

[richardleitch5]

sympathize with DMs and Players alike its somethign that makes you all SUFFER HAHAHAHAHA.

but if "one" of the reasions dont hold water for you then who cares, it dont matter if you think its a good reasion its a simple reaction for people who dont like something that they simply dont stand a chance agenst poppign up and killing them 90% or the time without any RP or any real RP. or any RP at all.

this has been a problem for everyone a very very long time, its just something you have to live with.

[Root]

If folks come up and PvP with absolutely no reason, screenshot, throw the info to a DM, take a respawn, and move on.

Though the official rules are sketchy on this subject, I'd imagine the spirit of them is generally that the server staff don't want Sundren to be a PvP server where you can get ganked in the middle of an RP session by someone who just obliterates everyone then runs off. (If this isn't the case, do tell.)

I suspect that players doing such would have been banned already however, since I've never actually witnessed this happening once.

If they roll up and act hostile towards me, then hells yes, interesting RP conflict. Far more fun than grinding.

[Dave Fritz]

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Though personally I would encourage players in DM events to switch it off. Avoids folk congregating. It is hard enough to manage 3-5 players with out having a new PC "just happen by" every five minutes.
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This is a bit off-topic, but I don't know how to transfer a quote to a new thread. Anyway ...

I understand the difficulty mentioned above and just wanted to say "Thanks" to the DMs who have included Tery several times when he has "just happened along". It IS appreciated.

[Dragor]

If folks come up and PvP with absolutely no reason, screenshot, throw the info to a DM, take a respawn, and move on.

PvP isnt what the problem is...the problem is people using the search tool to FIND someone to in Char PvP when they otherwise would not look for someone to in Char PvP...which since they remain in Char you cannot prove the meta'd you. It is better to have the thing turned off as then you KNOW they did not meta you.

Your arguments would work if the world was perfect and people never cheated. In fact I used to agree with you, it took times for me to change my outlook.

I think we have both made our points

[grant]

By said logic, why go outside in the real world? You might get shot and killed by some random nutter.

But if you don't, you become a prisoner in your home and a lonely recluse.

At least in Sundren, being killed by a random nutter is only temporary.

If you get found by some psycho char who kills you, meh, a respawn from PvP is cheap.

Risk a little of your character in the name of RP. In PvP, there is almost always an RP way out, but it might involve your character not acting like an invincible badass.

Even if you're a solo cleric/EK and just go around roflpwning everything, some of the other, group-based classes like to party up, and if XP is really all that matters to you (but then, why would you be on this server and not, say, BG:TSCC, home of the zerg?), remember you get a significant boost to it from being in a group.

If a new character joins, they're likely going to only be able to find people by using the Search tool. If everyone is too scared of PvP / too antisocial / too interested in soloing uninterrupted / whatever, they're going to find that nobody is there. They're likely to just give up after wandering around lost for a while, and we lose a potentially good player.

So risk yourself a bit. It's the spice of life. If you get metagamed, report it, deal with it, move on. If there are players who really just come on with their high-levels, search the world until they find someone alone, then go there to kill them, report it. Once the reports stack up, the DM's are sure to start thinking that this person is destroying more than they're adding, and will likely do something about it.

Have a little faith in your fellow player and the DM's. And be searchable.

Are you seriously comparing a 5 in 6 chance against a one in several million (or more). Sure if I meta it, I could knock the odds down to close to zero, but they are admitted to loging in the necropolis too. So as far as I am concerned the area might as well not exist.

Tell me would you consider it as fun a risk if there was a perma-death rule for Sundren? If your party of 6 9th (or there a bout) levels, was stomped to paste in 30 seconds by a 20th level PC? (Actually I think the PC in that case qualifies as 29 total though it might have been Urlok, my memory is fuzzy now but the end result was the same anyway.) Why does it suddenly become fun if you loose a chunk of gold and get a respawn if your plans for the night have been FUBARED anyway? Honestly I do not know who struck first but I was dead before hostile was set, as were a few others and it was before more than a few startled "hello?"'s could be said.

I am also reasonably sure that for many of these players this event was their first encounter with PvP on the server. One has come and gone in the past and was pissed enough to leave Sundren again, as for the others, I think they have all left, (if I am wrong please speak up), I admit to a lack of memory when it comes to names and faces in the real world, toons and players are even harder, it could be they abandoned those toons and have go on to soloing C/FS/EK munchkins.

As for this XP bonus by party I have never seen it in action, except were you can move faster though the mobs than you can alone (if at all). The only time I see any XP benefit is when you happen to be the higher level and the party average brings up the XP so you get a few more points than you would have alone. More often than not, I am seeing the same or less, and the only benefit is speed which is good enough for me anyway.

[Vaelek]

Good god, just quit your bitching already.

Faction contested areas will lead to PvP.
This is a fact.
It's not something you have a right to whine over every single time a topic barely associated with the areas comes up.

Are people metaming with the search tool?
Maybe.
It's true it happened a lot in the past, specifically with one faction.
However, I recall very clearly it being dealt with by DMs when I and other players confronted the matter and agreed it needed to be dealt with OOC.
If you really think someone is metagaming or behaving poorly in RP, bring it to a DM.
Repeating it over and over (Admittedly, it may have been other people I'm more frustrated with, I've just seen this line of discussion many times now-Not necessarily from you, grant) on the forums doesn't help the DMs tackle the problem.

The Black Hand does not stare at the search tool all day waiting for people to pop into the Necropolis so they can gank them, whatever you may think.
The Necropolis is a gathering point for Black Hand, and we will beat the hell out of you if you don't leave when we come around.
We go there because it's a faction base.
I've done this many times myself, in all of which I've offered the option to leave before initiating combat.
As a matter of fact, combat is generally initiated by the other side.
Remarkably, in all of these instances, I've noted that no one appeared in the search tool when I considered moving elsewhere for RP -- Only to stumble upon adventurers in the Necropolis when I was making the rounds.

That's right, we make rounds.
Deal with it.

As it is, I probably would've stayed away from the Necropolis, as I've stayed away from the Aquor mountains as a Cartel, if I saw people there on the search toggle.
Why? Because I know once you refused to leave and I killed you, I'd probably have to put up with another several posts like the ones before mine.

Also, XP benefit for a larger party definitely exists, and smart people take advantage of it. I'm making that point because suggesting otherwise only discourages people to not try and solo.

[grant]

Good god, just quit your bitching already.


Also, XP benefit for a larger party definitely exists, and smart people take advantage of it. I'm making that point because suggesting otherwise only discourages people to not try and solo.

I have been here two years now, I have never seen XP go up beyond what I would get alone no mater the composition of the group, except with the exceptions I mentioned. Pointing it out is just a fact of observation, not an attempt to influence others in any way.

[Vaelek]

That's a very strange thing to not have experienced in two years, though I don't remember with great certainity that the XP bonus has been around that long. Admittedly, I did most of my leveling two years ago-ish with only one other compadre.

I think the requirement is either three or four people for the XP bonus, and I make good use of it almost every time I run either Argyles or Veritas.
I can't begin to imagine why you haven't been receiving this bonus when in a party that size, as the only other time I've been told people haven't received it was a very brief bug, usually fixed by the server reset.

You should probably bring it up when in a party again, should you not be getting any extra XP, with whatever DM you can rope into investigating the matter. Or we can hope the nice DMs are watching and will prod at you in the doctor's room later.

[Redjack]

To refresh your memory.
No, Urlok isn't level 20. He told your group to leave and they attacked him.
It is unfortunate feelings were hurt. I was playing my character's role.
Let's move beyond this.

[Root]

Tell me would you consider it as fun a risk if there was a perma-death rule for Sundren?

No, I'd be pissed off if I got ended by ganking that way, but since we don't have a perma-death rule, and deaths from PvP are substantially reduced in their significance to the point where it's more like a KO, I don't see the relevance.

Thanks to the folk who have recently started showing Searchable more, it's made it a lot easier to find folks to RP with, and the server seems a lot less empty.

And yes, it's meant high-level people I have had no chance to defeat in combat come up when I'm in a group grinding stuff and had the sheer gall to initiate RP with me. I then RP'ed back. RP was achieved, and pretendy fun happy time was had by all.