Auril's Whisper

[Chiangtao]

Anyone know if the DC save for this is based on Ice Fury level or character level?

[The Butcher]

I do not know, but a cool tip that might help you if you are playing one is that setting rogues to hostile while you have the aura = anti stealth shield.

[TheBrogueadier]

Just had a look at Eira's Character Sheet, though she's got Aurils Wind, rather than Whisper. DC should be the same though.

It's listed there as 13+ half Ice Fury level + Wis mod, and that's what it seems to be IG as well.

[Chiangtao]

Thanks man I deleted my old IF in lieu of a new one.

I wanted to see if it was possible to make an ice fury that could take elemental shape. It is possible, but would have a pretty weak slow shield. Takes too many levels to get up to elemental form for IF to have a lot of levels. Hrm, what to do, what to do...

[Root]

Hrm, what to do, what to do...

Druid 5 / Master of Many Forms 9 / Ice Fury 6?

Bonus points that this build lets you take the form of an Ice Giant as well as an Elemental. Could even just have 5 Ice Fury levels and take the full 10 Master of Forms, for dragon shapes too.

[Chiangtao]

Right, it can be done, no doubt. I'm debating if the Ice Fury levels are worth it at all though, if I don't take it to 10.

[TheBrogueadier]

I wouldn't bother taking IF above 6 - The pay off become terrible from that point onwards.

Level 6 gives you DC 16+wis, which isn't bad at all, especially for a druid based build (Eira is hampered by her Favored Soul class and low WIS, but even then the Wind is immeasurably useful against most enemies), it also gives you +1d4 cold to attacks, and the slowing aura with 1d6 damage.

Now, if you take the 4 extra levels of IF you get +2 to that DC, an extra 2 points cold damage to attacks and 1d6 and -2 AC on the aura. But, you'll loose the ability to cast 7the circle spells and take an additional 25% fire damage (Energy Immunity: Fire is your friend)

Creeping Doom (Pretty much *the* anti-caster spell), Harm, Heal, True Seeing and Sunbeam are all good spells to have, not to mention being able to cast extended 6th level spells

You could argue that just 5 levels is good enough, that way you get access to 8th level spells (Storm Avatar!), the damaging, slowing aura and only 5% extra fire damage. But you'll only have 2 points of cold damage on your weapon (no biggie as lots of things are cold immune).

[AsuraKing]

*feels ashamed he didnt get to respond with something helpful before everyone else did*

[Chiangtao]

Well, I was thinking of ice shapeshifting builds more than spellcasting - Vurk is a brute! So my thoughts were:

* 5 Druid / 9 MoMF / 3 Ice Fury / 3 Nature's Warrior
* 5 Druid / 10 MoMF / 5 Nature's Warrior

I like the idea of a whirling air elemental with cold damage and NW buffs. The frost giant would be badass fun, too.

Anyway, food for thought. And it's no guarantee I can unlock those classes, either! But I like the idea of it. Thanks for the replies!

[TheBrogueadier]

In all honesty I find it hard to recomend that anyone take MoMF.

The class is awesome greatness for RP value, but it's hilariously weak in game. Soul crushingly weak. Honestly, it'll make you want to cry.

[Root]

It could really do with gaining maybe 50% spellcasting progression, like Pale Master.

At least then you can keep up with some buffs, which at the moment I'd imagine would mean that a level 20 Druid buffing himself then elemental forming fully outperforms a MoMF doing the same.

[TheBrogueadier]

I'm pretty sure that PaleMaster is now 9/10 spell progression, like Eldritch Knight.

MoMF need something, they're... well...

When I got the level 17 dragon shape I thought 'Woo! Now I'm Bad Ass!'

After getting beaten by a level 10 character and his 8th level friend, only managing to damage 1 of them to Badly Wounded I realised that, no... I was just bad, verging on terrible.

[Kaizen]

It could really do with gaining maybe 50% spellcasting progression, like Pale Master.

At least then you can keep up with some buffs, which at the moment I'd imagine would mean that a level 20 Druid buffing himself then elemental forming fully outperforms a MoMF doing the same.

Level 20 druid > 10momf/10 druid. easy. in ... bear form with buffs. Not dire bear form.

Bear form.

Versus a MoMF Dragon with his level 10 spell buffs.

It was depressing

First Duel: 19druid/1Monk fully buffed (level 19 spells)Dire Bear vs 10druid/MoMF Dragon, fully buffed (level 10 spells). Result = over in <10 rounds, MoMF destroyed utterly. 19druid/1monk at 100% health.

Second Duel: 19 druid wearing hide armor fully buffed (level 19 spells) regular bear form vs 10druid/10MoMF Dragon, fully buffed (level 10 spells). Result = Over in <20 rounds, MoMF lost, 19druid at 50% health.

Third Duel: 19 druid wearing hide armor fully buffed (level 19 spells) dire bear form vs 10druid/10MoMF Dragon, fully buffed (level 10 spells). Result = Over in <15 rounds, MoMF lost, 19druid at 85% health.

Kaizen did not use any offensive spells or healing spells during these fights, which would have made the outcome 100% health for the druid for all outcomes.

We decided to not duel vs Tree Form or Elemental Form. heh.

[TheBrogueadier]

The Dragon forms seriously need a fear aura..

I've lost count of the number of times I've met other players in Red Dragon form (and I quote: Red dragons are the largest, most powerful, and most (in)famous of the classic chromatic dragons.) and been petted on the nose, cooed at, or had people just go 'Oh, it's only a druid, don't worry'.

At least something like the mummy lords aura or an at will aura of terror would go some way to rectifying that (or at least make them run around in fear while I demonstrate the wrath of my awesome 1d6+6 dmg).

Wing buffet / knockdown wouldn't go amis either.

[roguethree]

OP Death Knight summon has a fear aura DC: 30, I think. Not a stretch to put that on a dragon.