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  • #46
    Can't say I automatically count FS out of the realm of good rp because of their build or Scythe weapon masters for that matter. I've seen many people try to make a so-called 'non-OP build' or even a 'gimped build' in hopes that such things will automatically make them good rpers. Just because you don't make an OP build (whatever the hell the definition of that is nowadays), does not make you God's gift to rp. I've seen many people try that approach and found many of them quite poorly played imo.

    I'm all for a more suitable 'balance' of classes. In fact, if I knew a damn thing about computers, I'd volunteer to help Corn's plans see the light of day asap. However, the idea of attatching certain ooc stigmas to certain builds (whether such is intentional or not) is a dangerous route imo. I've seen just as many poorly played fighters, rogues, gimp-builds, etc as I have of anything else.

    Anyway, regarding the topic, I still stand by my original claim (which I was not the first to claim, but you know what I mean). I guess I tend to look at the dogma of a faith just as much as the preachers. I'll use Azuth as an example.

    Dogma: Followers of Azuth feel that reason is the best way to approach magic, and that it may be examined and reduced to its component parts through study and meditation. Calm and caution are the watchwords of Azuthan clergy members as they strive to avoid mistakes that even magic cannot undo. They are taught to use Art (magic) wisely and to be always mindful of when it is best not to use magic.

    Now it says magic in a way that likely includes both divine and arcane magic, meaning they have members likely to tend to both. Divine wielders (clerics, etc) would be better at examining divine magic and arcane wielders (wizards, etc) would be better at examining arcane. I can't see the clerics getting better treatment and rank overall. I can understand (and agree with) the idea that being a cleric helps one's connection to one's god, but I believe faith and devotion does that just as well.
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    • #47
      http://www.nj-pbem.com/data/Gods/Gods.htm

      It may be from 2nd edition, but there's plenty of info there on what classes can enter the priesthood of which gods. The clergy of Mielekki for example includes Clerics, Druids and Rangers while Lathander only has clerics. Helm has clerics, paladins and monks in his clergy. Oghma's clergy includes clerics, bards, monks and wizards.

      It's not binding by any measure, but I find it a good guideline to use.
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      • #48
        Lothoir's post seems productive. Dislike.
        Originally posted by Cornuto
        Glad everyone's being extra fucking ridiculous today.

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        • #49
          I don't think FS should be taken out, just restricted.

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          • #50
            Or modded heavily to remove all the stupid bonuses.
            Originally posted by Cornuto
            Glad everyone's being extra fucking ridiculous today.

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            • #51
              Something I HAVE always found strange is how a Favored Soul is widely agreed upon to a cleric what a sorcerer is to a wizard. But then why does a sorcerer receive no bonus feats or other class benefits to accompany it's leveling along the wizard, while the favored soul gets aces over the cleric? HMMMM
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              • #52
                Yeah sorcerers get hella screwed (unless they multiclass into Arcane Scholar of Asswhoopery)

                No bonus feats
                Charisma as a primary attribute (lol skill points, who needs 'em)
                Crappier spell progression
                Originally posted by Saulus
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                • #53
                  well FS= SS, not Sorc.

                  Remember that FS need a Cha 10+spell level to cast spells, but use their wisdom for their DC modifier. They have to split off two attribute points for the spell slinging.

                  But lulz, not like this really matters since you just load up on buffs and wtfpwn faces.
                  Originally posted by ThePaganKing
                  So, the roguethree bootlickers strike again.

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                  • #54
                    *agrees with Kasso*

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                    • #55
                      And let's not forget the saveless spells like Word of Faith that they're unaffected on.

                      And the ridiculous synergy with four Blackguard levels.
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                      • #56
                        Though priest can be anyone i do agree the divine connection is a must. PRC or cleric/palidin its all trying to the same end. *contemplates a high priest master of shrouds, but instead of shrouds its vampires*

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                        • #57
                          You all know how the "This class is OP" aurguments always end....if the detracters had there way the only playable classes would be rogue and fighter with no PrC's...if you dont like FS/SS/Wizard/Sorc/Clerics/Druids then dont play one...there is no need to make it suck for the people who want to just because you dont like it

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                          and now this thread has gone completely off topic and GBX already had the final say anyway so I move for it to be locked
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by dragor
                            and now this thread has gone completely off topic and i just had the final say anyway so i move for it to be locked
                            ftfy.
                            Originally posted by Cornuto
                            Glad everyone's being extra fucking ridiculous today.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by roguethree View Post
                              ftfy.

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                              • #60
                                wtf is ftfy?

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