Vampire Information

[Kaeldorn]

I have a question about domination.

It's a more powerful version than the spell (in terms of duration and saving throws), but I was wondering if, other than that, its effects were the same.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dominatePerson.htm

Dominate's spell description states that you can use it to give a target commands, but it will not allow you to telepathically get information from someone (no mind reading) or implant thoughts or feelings into someone's head. Subjects of domination are fully aware of what is happening and what they are being forced to do, they just can't intervene. So Domination does not actually take over someone's mind or manipulate it in any way (like psionic powers would), it just puts the subject's mind at the sideline while his actions are forced by the caster.

It has come to my attention that vampire dominate has been used to do things that it isn't supposed to do according to the description, and would like to see it cleared up whether or not these non-standard uses of domination should be allowed.

[GodBeastX]

No idea the actions you're talking about.

[Kaeldorn]

So it's only possible to use it to force characters to do things, and not to alter their mind?

[GodBeastX]

Well, it depends on how you describe altering a mind.

Might do a lot of mind altering to make someone murder someone they care about.

I've never seen it used to alter minds before, so you tell me what sort of situation you are referencing.

[Kaeldorn]

Those are indirect effects as a consequence of being ordered to do something. Which is of course natural and actually adds to the RP of the spell when it comes to actions that are later regretted.

Though I've heard of at least one occurrence where someone supposedly stated that their dominate changed another's feelings/thoughts directly, just because they willed it. I don't think that's normally possible with dominate. Not even temporarily.

[Urithrand]

I don't think domination can actually change someone's persona outside of the spell effect. So they are aware of what's happening, and often horrified at what they're being forced to do, but whwn they are free of the spell they go back to being the same person they were before it was cast on them.

It doesn't actually corrupt the recipient beyond the experiences they have.

[Kaeldorn]

Yeah exactly Urithrand, that's what I was thinking as well.

[GodBeastX]

From what I understand though, if under compulsion an evil act is still evil and vice versa.

It says that under Atonement spell that it corrects acts that were done under compulsion as well.

It may not change your mindset but it seems like being compelled to do things does have effects past that.

[Lothoir]

Are willing vampires able to be restored to a natural life via submitting to a permanent death and then having True Resurrection cast on them?

[Kaeldorn]

I agree on that. But you can't, for instance, compel someone to commit an evil act AND force him to feel that he actually enjoys doing it.

[GodBeastX]

I agree on that. But you can't, for instance, compel someone to commit an evil act AND force him to feel that he actually enjoys doing it.

Exactly.

[GodBeastX]

Are willing vampires able to be restored to a natural life via submitting to a permanent death and then having True Resurrection cast on them?

Pretty sure resurrection and True Resurrection will both bring someone back to life if they were ANY undead. ZOmbie, skeleton or otherwise. Only exception is those who died of natural causes (Old Age) that were animated.

However, the reason why vampires need true res is most methods of killing them destroy the body, like sun death or submersing in running water, and resurrection requires a body.

Anyone can come back from resurrection provided the following:

- The person didn't die of natural causes.
- The god casting the resurrection is okay to allow it.
- The place the soul is in allows the resurrection (Good luck getting hell to give up a soul)
- The current god of death allows the resurrection (Faerun Specific).
- The person being resurrected is willing to come back.
- The person has a con score when coming back (Raise dead is supposed to lower con score every time until it reaches 0, which means they can't be resurrected by any means).


So yes, Myrkul becoming god of death means he can deny resurrections.

[Lothoir]

However, the reason why vampires need true res is most methods of killing them destroy the body, like sun death or submersing in running water, and resurrection requires a body.

That was also my thinking, except I later noticed a normal Resurrection spell states that a pile of ash (from a disintegrate spell) qualifies as a body part. While sun death wouldn't be a disintegrate spell exactly, I think the same logic could apply. Submersion in runing water though would scatter the dust all over and be impossible to retrieve.

The only other two questions I have then is about Myrkul allowing it, and the lowered con score.

From my reading of Raise Dead, the spell costs the recipient one level, they only use 2 points of Con if they are already level 1.

And regarding Myrkul, wouldn't he deny ALL raise dead and resurrection attempts?

[GodBeastX]

And regarding Myrkul, wouldn't he deny ALL raise dead and resurrection attempts?

Politics. You think he wants every greater deity coming into the fugue at the same time like "Yo! You going to let us raise dead or not?!"

It's not like he can just do whatever he wants. Look at the history of gods who tried to do that. Mystra, for example, who tried to punish evil wizards by denying them access to the weave and such. She got pooped on for that.

[Kaizen]

all up in mystra's cornflakes.