Joe Schmoe, statistics and what's average.

[undeadsteak]

Yup, but who cares about males.. >>

[Euniana]

People do realize that being that muscular would actually look pretty grotesque on males too?

[GodBeastX]

Alright, I'll confess another point. Body builders do weight lifting slightly differently to build mass and such instead of building strength. They also are flexing their bloody eyes out in those photos.

Look at arnold S. the governor in his suit, doesn't exactly look like he was conan

[undeadsteak]

Im not pumped into str, but my 14 str is still going to look muscley.

[Sathayorn]

Or, simply, their builds are more RP based and they dont pump every single point possible into strength... Wait... That's just a load of crap, Who wouldnt pump their prime stat? *gasp*

[Gurkak]

But there are fighters in the Order of the reddest rose or whatever. They will most likely have high str. IF they were that muscley, atleast for females, that would be considered ugly, and they would most likely get thrown out.

Then the question arises would that be considered ugly? One has to wonder.. it is a fantasy setting. That or are they dexterity based fighters. Then if they're NPCs they probally won't go over 16 strength.

*Strokes chin*

(edit) Ehh.. no. Still nasty as hell. *Shudders and backs away from the computer screen*

[undeadsteak]

I severely disagree with you Undeadsteak. I think most followers of the order would have lower strenght. 16 Str is incredible compared to average joe. The god doesn't give unnatural strength that hides into a stick figure body. Sorry to burst your bubble Most NPCs in orders will be around average joe status. PCs are the ones who generally break molds and rise above the crowd. Also, not all fighters need 18 str to be a fighter. That's more of a build reason than RP reason if you have it and try to fit in this undefined body mold.

Yes, your character -should- look muscle bound with 18 STR, nobody is going to force you to though. I didn't post those pics to start being harsh on players, it was more for awareness of what stats actually mean.

And personally, not those two women, but I think muscles are hawt on females

But there are fighters in the Order of the reddest rose or whatever. They will most likely have high str. IF they were that muscley, atleast for females, that would be considered ugly, and they would most likely get thrown out.

[Sathayorn]

*points up at the "sexay ladies"*

[GodBeastX]

I severely disagree with you Undeadsteak. I think most followers of the order would have lower strenght. 16 Str is incredible compared to average joe. The god doesn't give unnatural strength that hides into a stick figure body. Sorry to burst your bubble Most NPCs in orders will be around average joe status. PCs are the ones who generally break molds and rise above the crowd. Also, not all fighters need 18 str to be a fighter. That's more of a build reason than RP reason if you have it and try to fit in this undefined body mold.

Yes, your character -should- look muscle bound with 18 STR, nobody is going to force you to though. I didn't post those pics to start being harsh on players, it was more for awareness of what stats actually mean.

And personally, not those two women, but I think muscles are hawt on females

[Gurkak]

Alright, I'm stepping in just to say--

In the end, your character can be lean and sexy with 20 strength, because this is a fantasy game and -you- want it that way. There's countless people that look attractive- but a quick investigation of their stats shows they only have 10 charisma.

Alright, then it's ok for me to make a halfling and make him the size of a brownie. It's also ok for me to make a half-orc bigger than an ogre.

Sweet, wait that's not what you meant?

That's how it reads. Not being confrontational here but that's what happens then. If statistics(Who your character is!) don't count, then everything else doesn't really count either.

Think I'm going to go make a half-elf who is half-orc too. Unlikely? Sure but it's a fantasy game - and in fantasy it *could* happen!

[undeadsteak]

and I doubt sharess would let her followers become all muscly and ugly too. GBX has scared me so much with those pictures... EEP!

[Sathayorn]

And that would be race related.

[undeadsteak]

Not all strength has to come from muscle though. There could always be different ways to obtain strength, maybe through demonic blood, holy strength, draconic.

[Sathayorn]

Charisma should not be as much of an impact on appearance, it should, however effect the way others react to you before you speak and such, but thats really just my opinion, that it should be "charisma" instead of "charisma and appearance"

Someone can be attractive and 400 pounds, if you like fat people, or attractive and scrawny, if you like models, or attractive and disgustingly muscular, if you're into that kinda thing... But it is more the "soft and lean body with delicate hands and can throw a great wyrm five miles with one hand and little effort* that throws me off

[undeadsteak]

Yay. *Hugs Kaldaris.*