Hooded masks; Do you think they grant complete immunity from visual recognition?

[07paul87]

Damn straight! Sago will eventually be captured (and probably hanged), but he's going out in style!

By the way, if any tailors want to craft Sago clothes to advertise, particularly enchanted +will save/+armor AC, I'm down

[richardleitch5]

Damn straight! Sago will eventually be captured (and probably hanged), but he's going out in style!

By the way, if any tailors want to craft Sago clothes to advertise, particularly enchanted +will save/+armor AC, I'm down

Hold can tailer the outfit, just come to sundren jail house and ask for him by name >.>

other than that i know a good number of enchanters, some who dont even know about Sago at all.

[07paul87]

People don't know about Sago? Well, *that* won't do!

[Root]

One word.

Rorschach.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Im thinking only a ninja or bard skilled in imitation or a character with Master Of Masks levels would be able to pull off the voice/eyes/complete~package.

Sure it might help you at a distance but as someone said when someone hears you speak or sees your eyes its game over. Only my opinion though.. in the end the DM gets the last word!

[Kaizen]

Silly notion: Superman had a disguise skill of 10 to the 25th power to get away with using glasses and a bit of gel to get that squiggly piece of hair to hang down as a disguise.

Nah, his disguise was the people. There is no way Clark Kent the socially awkward journalist could be Superman. Just ... impossible!


We have a prime example here on the server that uses this thought process to max effect. I won't name any names, because some people still dont even know oocly.

[Usurper]

Cannot always use the.."I recognize that voice.." The mask or a mask could easily muffle one'e tone or voice.

Changing your whole outfit along with equipment and a mask should give you a disguise..There are some who never remove their mask,so you may not know who they were if they did..

If a character spends a lot of time around a certain masked character,then at a certain point they would know the masked one's voice and eyes to a certain degree..I can roll with giving someone that,but keep in mind that we do not see the actual population that consists of Sundren or those that travel to and from the valley.All we know and see are the NPCs and our PCs..Now if there was a representation of an actual visual population it would make recognizing someone even harder.

[nezzerscape]

Some more questions about disguise…

If we are considering a masked hood as means to hide ones ID, then any helmet with a fair amount of coverage should work the same… “you sure to walk and take like Kharn but I’m not sure… die!”

Also if one is in disguise should they be waiting armor? “That old woman sure does make alot of noise when she walks!”… Please correct me if I am wrong but other than leather I cannot see one hiding the armor they have on.

[Root]

Case-by-case, maybe? I assume everyones RL wisdom score is above 6. :P

If a dwarf with ginger hair who always wears heavy armour puts on a Guy Fawkes mask and walks down the street, it's still going to be a dwarf with ginger hair wearing heavy armour.

If he covers his gingerness, puts the mask on, dumps the armour somewhere in his pack and muffles it, then wears some leathers, then he's a lot different to the ginger dwarf in heavy armour.

[DragonBelow]

I am new here, so please bare with me if I'm unaware of any older conversations. Many good points on this conversation already. I'm not sure how the disguise options works exactly in game but heres my two cents on the topic.

The disguise skill is certainly more or less effective depending on the level of familiarity with the subject trying to hide their identity. This factor is reflected in bonuses to the spot check for the "spotting" player.

Based on this and other factors, I do not think hoods or masks grant immunity from recognition. That being said, I think the use of one or both would certanly provide bonuses to the disguise skill. A good bluff skill would probably provide an additional, perhaps synergistic bonus.

Now, how to implement all of that? Haha. No idea. The player base thus far, seems pretty great. Ajudicating such things between players based on this might work out. Just some thoughts.

[07paul87]

Exactly. Unless a DM is online and supervising the interaction, it's up to the players to settle it out. Most are pretty cool, and if there is some kind of disagreement, just settle it via tells.

[Twisted-Indoctrine]

I voted x-ray vision because I'm a special snowflake.

[Root]

You can easily identify gender and obvious races (Dwarf, Human/Elf, Orc/H'Orc, Halfling/Gnome), but I'm completely with the rules on this one.

Incidentally, I wonder how few people take Sense Motive... And how useful disguise would be for rogues.

[Gamling]

All my PCs have X-ray vision.

[Gorri]

Voted "Yes" with a "but"...

IMO when you first see someone in a hooded mask, you do NOT recognize who they are. That is the point of a mask.

You DO however recognize that they are hiding who they are so that opens all sorts of RP and d20 rolls to be able to proceed.

Sure you might "know how they walk, talk, shuffle, look from the back of the hood" but that would only make you suspicious they MIGHT be who you think they are... again opening course for RP or dice rolls.

However since I have been on the server I can say that I run into characters that have hoods ALL the time. There are many. If you extrapolate that to the NPC population of Sundren in general I think it is safe to say... they are everywhere!

So I just don't buy the fact that you KNOW who someone is when they wear a mask for any reason until something ELSE happens. It would be nice if this was treated somewhat clear cut.