Am I exploiting?

[Lanemeyer]

ok, I did vote "yes" just to see the results

[GodBeastX]

My point is it shouldn't both be applicable on the same weapon.

Short Sword - Finesse, no Power
Long Sword - Power, no Finesse
etc etc

It's just not taking into account size modifier I'm sure. However, size of weapons is kind of wrong in nwn2 right now. Each weapon is supposed to have a sub-size category. Daggers for Humans and Daggers for Halflings are supposed to be different size and stats.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/equipment/weapons.htm <-- Notice the size table
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Power_Attack <-- No light weapons
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Weapon_Finesse <-- Only light weapons

Of course, I think a rapier or creature weapons you may be able to do both. But creature weapons can't be finessed in NWN2 which is a problem.

We may have to implement the size table ^^

[Nil]

We may have to implement the size table ^^

I'm all for that! More options to deal with different situations is always good.

edit: Though, i would add that it'd be bad to do it before crafting gets fixed. Missing patterns already cause problems.

[07paul87]

Well, the votes are pretty close to each other (8-10, not counting my own "no" vote). Unless the no votes end up beating the yes votes by at least 5, I'll be deleting Sago and starting fresh. I'd hate to continue playing Sago if close to half the population thinks he's an exploiting bastard.

If you haven't voted, please do so. I'll be making my decision tomorrow.

[Root]

He's a halfling fighter.

How can he POSSIBLY be considered as 'sploiting?

If you wanted uberpower, he'd be a divine caster or gish.

[Nil]

I said I'd never reply to anything with the word "dawg" in it, but you forced my hand.

That said, go ahead and underestimate the halfling fighters, Root.

[Root]

I don't underestimate them.

I'm saying that they're not going to destroy balance with mad exploits allowing them to finesse a shortsword, which with the power of it's exploitness gains them overall about a grand total of +4 damage when they're power attacking.

[07paul87]

Actually, I'd *greatly* prefer a rebuild, if the DMs think it's justified. Sago will still be a melee fighter type, just without the finesse/PA. Had/having some great RP with him, and I'd hate to take away a satisfying victory from the Legion/Blackwood.

Not to mention other ongoing plots *nudges DMs Atmosphere and GBX* You know, the "other" plots with the pending trading and murdering

If no rebuild, I'll delete Sago and create another. I'll treat him as the same, with all of the same plots, if that's acceptable for everyone.

[07paul87]

Alright, I'm making my decision.....NOW!

Final tally is 11 for "Yes" and 13 for "No" (again, not counting my own vote). It's too close for me to comfortably play Sago. If it were any character that *didn't* seek out other people to rob, I'd continue playing as-is. Since he *is* an openly evil bandit who actively seeks PvP to rob people, it's probably best to make sure he is in compliance with all rules, and play it on the safe side with murky areas.

Thanks for voting, folks, and presenting your arguments.

DMs, is it all possible to get a rebuild? I'd like to continue playing Sago in the same manner, but given that his entire concept is built around power attacking with a finesse weapon, to include going duelist, it wrecks his damage output. He will still be a non-stealthy melee-er.

If not, is it alright if I re-create him and continue the DM plots he's involved with as Sago Trumperstomper v2.0?

[The Almight Red]

If you want DM help, your best bet is posting in the Request forums. It's what they're there for. :O

[Philosopher]

There's nothing in PnP that says you cannot power atack with a finesse weapon. As a matter of fact, it says right in the feat description that you can power attack with unarmed strikes and natural weapons, which are also finesse weapons. The feat only says you may not power attack with a light weapon. A rapier is not a light weapon. I say power attack away.

[Nil]

A rapier is not a light weapon. I say power attack away.

He's using a short sword, though.

[The Almight Red]

Philosopher, have you been reading the topic?!

It's been a shortsword that's been under contention all along.

Edit: Oh, snap. Nil beat me to the punch by like, seconds.

[Philosopher]

Ha. I don't know why I saw shortsword and thought rapier. My bad. >_<

Sago should clearly be using a rapier then. =D

[Nil]

You know though, I was thinking about Phil's actually point and a Shortsword is NOT a light weapon to a Halfling. Equip it in your off-hand and watch what happens. So, his point still stands.