Advanatages of being Evil?

[thaelis]

So, I thought I'd try out my evil character again for some evil theatrics...ended up having to kill two PCs who didnt like my "bwahaha I'm evil!" speech..

So..after using up all my scrolls, potions etc killing them.. you receive no XP, no gold...and now have no resources left. To add insult to injury, I can't even use their bodies to decorate my temple because they respawned

Any advice? If you use subdual then can u rob them while they are unconscious?

(Actually I don't want to go around killing people all the time, just wanted to add some atmosphere but they attacked me straight away)

[Philosopher]

Please tell you are not actually complaining that you had to use up resources to kill other players.

My advice? Don't play evil for evil's sake. Have a real, grounded goal in mind. Be intelligent, cunning, and realistic. Those make for the best villains.

[Peridan]

You should also see the PvP rules in the wiki as far as robbing goes. From what I understand, you are allowed to take one item off the body of the person or the amount of gold on their person. Remember though that using subdual is in fact knocking them unconscious, not killing them.

As far as being evil is concerned, I'd be slightly aware of people who manage to get away from you after you try to kill them. You may end up on a wanted poster, and brought in by other players despite your level.

[Doubtful]

Please.

If it had been the other way around, you're character giving a speech on the merits of being a good and pure soul and two evil doers took umbrage, resulting in a fight to the death - would you be in a situation any different from the one you're in now? No.

Evil doesn't have advantages over Good - What it does have is different options and different routes for development.

Rather than fretting about what material gains you did or didn't get, try to see it from an IC point of view - Think about character development rather than phat l00t.

[thaelis]

Please.
Rather than fretting about what material gains you did or didn't get, try to see it from an IC point of view - Think about character development rather than phat l00t.

Its hard to focus on char development when conversations generally go like this "Intruders? Ah, you disposed of my zomb...." "Hes evil! Charge!" lolll

I certainly don't expect to become a gazillionaire..but, it would provide a bit more motivation IC if u get even one of their belongings. OC my motivation is the same as always..RPing is fun

[TyrannyOfDistance]

I've noticed that looting is rarely done from PvP. It's not that it's illegal to do it. It is, in fact, entirely legal to do so (as the wiki says).

But I've noticed most people don't do it. Which can be good. Otherwise, I can just see it escalating. Because all it takes, then, is powerbuilds going around and taking gear from people that need it more than even the powerbuilds.

Oh man, how frustrating would that be to the people that need the gear to level?

"Sorry, chum. That level 20 just slaughtered your level 10 ass, but they do get to pick one item from your inventory. You were just unlucky enough to have your best item taken."

I am, in fact, happy that people rarely take advantage of that rule.

[Doubtful]

Its hard to focus on char development when conversations generally go like this "Intruders? Ah, you disposed of my zomb...." "Hes evil! Charge!" lolll

You're right - People should always allow evil to complete it's monologuing before killing it.

Hardly fair otherwise

[thaelis]

I've noticed that looting is rarely done from PvP. It's not that it's illegal to do it. It is, in fact, entirely legal to do so (as the wiki says).

But I've noticed most people don't do it.

Hahaha so true.. as if ur gonna PM the guy "hey bud, btw as well as just sending u to the FeN, as soon as u respawn u owe me your best item! so, what time is good to meet up for the handover?"

[mojom]

(Actually I don't want to go around killing people all the time, just wanted to add some atmosphere but they attacked me straight away)

Normally wouldn't but just had to react to this one. But beïng one of the unfortunate pc's I have to say "attacked straight away" is a bit of.

The pc's entered conversation, you declared you were commanding the zombies, we attacked. It wasn' exactly shakespeareanesque, I admit.
But during that conversation you even rested and buffed up, so I think we gave you plenty of time.

No hard feelings though, I personally liked the little interaction and didn't think you were bothered by it at the time.

[thaelis]

Nah man not bothered at all. I just felt bad for killing u. I guess im not a natural baddie

[Intrepid42]

This raises an interesting point. To quote, from the wiki:

-Characters that are subdued or killed must allow the victor access to their inventory, but with restrictions, for OOC griefing reasons. Victors may take all of the victim's gold OR a single item from their inventory (this includes worn and unworn items). Players are NOT allowed to ask "stats" on items; simply take whichever item your character thinks looks the most expensive or powerful. Players concerned about losing all their gold should be reminded about our in-game banking system.

If you are subdued, you are still around, no problem. However, if your PC is killed, you cannot pass over an item unless you are either raised or respawn. Respawning is also not an option from level 11 (or so) onward. Raising costs 500 gold plus 2 bloodstones, from memory. I don't know if there is any raising option like the Temple of Helm in the various "Outposts of Evil"tm. Handing over an item if you are sent to the FEN is tricky.

Also, Buffing is considered a hostile act:

-"Buffing" or preparing for battle is considered a hostile action. Should a possible opponent begin buffing, you may immediately flag them hostile and begin PVP, bypassing any need for making them aware of impending attacks.

If the OP did in fact rest, then buff as he was talking before battle, then he should count his (dark) blessings. You shouldn't count on opposing characters waiting for their opponent to rest and cast a few spells before battle. For most of my PC's, if they saw a suspected necromancer flick open his spellbook and start studying the pages closely, then they'd either flee or attack immediately. Resting is "supposed" to take 8 hours, after all, and that's a LONG time to hang around.

[TyrannyOfDistance]

You can respawn if you're killed in PvP, even if 11+.

Just PvP, though.

[Intrepid42]

You can respawn if you're killed in PvP, even if 11+.

Just PvP, though.

Didn't know that.

Good to know, thanks.

[Doubtful]

Having a quick rest during a conversation then buffing up?

Haha. Damn I wish I'd been there for that.

[Vaelek]

Advantages for being evil?
That's.. Hilarious.

You should meet my shunned Myrkulyte.
He'll love you. Right after he kills you and takes your one best item.