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  • #31
    I'm not going to be nice about this anymore because I'm sick of hearing it. I hate to take this standpoint, but I'm going to. If you can't handle the truth, I wouldn't scroll down anymore.















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    Experience System

    Here's how I feel about this:

    Why don't you cry some more?

    I am NOT letting you reach level 20 before 5 months, so STOP trying to fight me on it because you're NOT going to win. And don't try to tell me you're not trying to reach it before 5 months because the curve IS 5 months and you're ahead of it! AHEAD OF IT! That means that you are on the path to hitting 20 much sooner than you're supposed to be... but wait, I thought you didn't grind? So my computer is lying to me?

    Seriously, all I heard from the beginning posts is "Waaaaaaah! I'm not levelling as fast as -I- want too! Waaaaaah! -I- should be level 10! Waaaaaah! Why didn't I get level 10 before?!" If you were level 10, you'd just be sitting and waiting longer than you have to right now, so I don't see the point?

    Did you guys ever think for a moment that "Hey, I might be the reason the DM's put the experience system in place!"

    No, of course not. Because, like drivers, everyone thinks they're the best RP'ers. See, the problem is, you want to grind, but I stopped you by having your experience stop itself. However, instead of owning up to the fact that you got all that experience and have to wait for a higher value, you make excuses to feel better about grinding.

    "I have nothing else to do but grind! Nobody wants to RP with me so I grind! I'm falling behind so I grind!" And many others...

    Uhhh... let me think here. If you were behind... If you were really behind what you should be at... you would be at 200% experience gains wouldn't you? So you wouldn't have trouble getting experience. Oh, but in reality you're not behind at all! You're 35000 experience ahead!


    Do you know how many tells I get a day people asking for Experience? Seriously?!

    "I'm leaving out of town soon but I don't want to fall behind! Can you give me experience? I planned on getting level 13 this week." <-- really happened

    "I died and lost experience, can you give me some?" <-- We make you lose exp on purpose

    "Can you bump my start time back so I can be closer to the curve?" <-- Seriously?!

    No! Never going to happen! Stop asking, I may even take experience for asking.

    And you people who die and lose experience, look on the bright side. You're getting closer to the curve which means you'll get higher gains.

    Evil Players

    This is what I see with the player base. They want to design characters meant to be high level so they can kill everyone else. That's the whole of their evil plot. That's it... grind until I'm strong and blow people up. You know how long that would take me to invent that as a character? As long as it takes me to click chaotic/evil on the alignment chart and whatever time to grind. There's creativity at work.

    Everybody wants to be the Golbez of the Cecil on the server. The Dark Sol of the shining force. The Sephiroth of the Cloud. They just want to hop in and have their plots revolve around "I have super spells! So I just lay waste to the good guys and pat myself on the back!"

    *Yawns as he watches the plot unfold* Oh, I'm sorry, I thought there might be a plot in there somewhere but there wasn't. Good story! No, really! I liked when I started the movie I was at the final conflict in the beginning and the movie lasted 1 minute, the time to cast finger of death and the rest of the movie the villain just danced around patting himself on the back! There wasn't any build up to the villain, but I kind of like that in a movie!

    See, all those villains in your minds, all those arch bad guys your characters are modelled after, they actually had plots. Kefka went around screwing people over, poisoning towns, enslaving others and building a cult, and guess what, you fight him, once in the story? By the time all his plots came together, he was finally level 20 along the way. The rest of that he did without needing "levels". That's pretty much how all the villains go. So then the question is, why are so few villains going that way on Sundren? The answer? That's as far ahead as they can imagine.

    "Because the good guys get plots only!"

    *Rolls eyes* Bullshit... I'd like you guys to ask some good players how many plots they got. I came on yesterday and peeked around for people who havn't had plots to run one for, and there was plenty of good aligned characters that didn't. Ironically, some evil aligned came on the same plot.

    Villains I like?

    I sat and watched evil players on their own will, their OWN will, drag me along on -their- plot -they- invented. I got a tell "This is my plan, think you can help out." I pop in, and what did I see?

    A guy stealthed, but not only stealthed, actually in a bush to RP out the stealth! I wanted to slap him with experience just for that alone! Another guy walking along as bait for their plot! They planned it out! That made my job easy, I just had to decide if the bait was enough...

    ...They grabbed whom they were looking for, took him somewhere, and tortured him for information. Information that helped them raise in the ranks of their evil peers, bringing them closer to their goal of arch-villaindom.

    Wait, but... I thought evil didn't have a place? No, that's not the case. You see, there's a thing I learned about being evil. Everybody wants to rule the world, but there's not enough castles to go around. Eventually you either are one of the few baddies, or you work for them.

    And for another twist, has anyone considered playing evil on the side of good? An evil who wants people safe in their homes, who wants to stop the undead, who wants to get rid of the Drow, who wants to preserve civilization, but doesn't have any qualms with stuffing it down the throats of those who threaten it? This is probably one of my favorite character designs. The man who enforces law and order heartlessly and cruelly. Nobody can really say anything except "Hey, might want to lighten up there dood. I know we're trying to stop these thieves but, you didn't have to butcher them all." It's the guy paladins can't stand to be around, but they need him just the same because they can't save the world alone. And they can't smite him because he's just doing the dirty work.

    So why not try to form some real direction for your evil this time around? DM's aren't against helping people fulfill their plots, but we're not going to hound after you forcing you to tell us all your plots. You're going to have to meet us halfway.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by IKSDoomsday View Post
      Noted...kill the girl in red armor *laughs...Khan goes back to talking with the trees*

      I agree though a little pvp helps make the plot thicker. And Jinx,....I agree with ya *scared that if he didnt she would slice him with her hair*

      come and try ^_^.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tratz View Post
        Us evil characters are *not* flooding the servers. There's actually very few of us...but we're proud. The bottom line is you cannot stay in characer as an evil character and maintain a regular flow with the moral majority. It's impossible. Everything my character believes in clashes with the next paladin or do-gooder warrior. And like me, all the other evil characters are no-where to be seen or blending in with society to a degree that I cannot notice them.
        You contradicted yourself. Evil are everywhere and blending in, or evil is very few? Which is it?

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        • #34
          And for another twist, has anyone considered playing evil on the side of good? An evil who wants people safe in their homes, who wants to stop the undead, who wants to get rid of the Drow, who wants to preserve civilization, but doesn't have any qualms with stuffing it down the throats of those who threaten it? This is probably one of my favorite character designs. The man who enforces law and order heartlessly and cruelly. Nobody can really say anything except "Hey, might want to lighten up there dood. I know we're trying to stop these thieves but, you didn't have to butcher them all." It's the guy paladins can't stand to be around, but they need him just the same because they can't save the world alone. And they can't smite him because he's just doing the dirty work.

          So why not try to form some real direction for your evil this time around? DM's aren't against helping people fulfill their plots, but we're not going to hound after you forcing you to tell us all your plots. You're going to have to meet us halfway.[/quote]

          Great points and this is a perfect example of lawful evil, you don't always have to be an anarchist to be evil... work within the system. Use the laws to your advantage, twist 'em if you have to.
          Last edited by Belwas; 03-16-2007, 02:07 PM. Reason: quote
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          • #35
            Everybody wants to be the Golbez of the Cecil on the server. The Dark Sol of the shining force. The Sephiroth of the Cloud. They just want to hop in and have their plots revolve around "I have super spells! So I just lay waste to the good guys and pat myself on the back!"
            You actually mentioned Golbez before Kefka GodBeast... And I love you for it.

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            I honestly avoided this thread for the longest time because people were complaining about something that they only needed to ask for... I see and hear, and actually have had to listen to, a very large portion of the populous complaining about how they were never involved in plots, I even went about to make the point 'why don't you ask a DM instead of sitting around?' and I got shafted for it... Harshly shot down because I said 'stop waiting for DMs to come to you and take some damned initiative.'

            Honestly, if a character gets the attention of a DM, and has them follow him around for a while, watching him preform acts of monumental evil and darkness (This applies vice-versa for good people going around helping people and whatnot.) and the DM is impressed, then wouldn't it make sense that the DM may actually return to said characters for those plots? Evil characters are easy to Roleplay, well really difficult at times if you have a conscience...

            I betcha GodbeastX remembers the character names of those rogues who were hiding in the bushes and torturing that guy!

            If you want attention, stand up and walk into the spotlight, don't sit in the shadows and wait for it to come to you.

            -No comment on the grinding and exp stuff.
            Aesa Volsung - Uthgardt Warrior

            Formerly
            Gabrielle Atkinson - Mage Priest of Torm
            Anasath Zesiro - Mulhorandi Morninglord
            Kyoko - Tiefling Diviner
            Yashedeus - Cyrist Warlock
            Aramil - Nutter

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            • #36
              *applauds GBX* Bout time someone said it...

              Maleficus "Ravenor" Carnificis
              "Dreams... such fertile ground for the seeds of torment. I can sense your ripeness and, oddly enough, it is time for the harvest. Please, save your tears... I intend to reap your sorrow slowly and have ages to discover the things that make you suffer... I am eager to revel in the sweet melody of your screams and the melancholy of your despair..."
              Eldraxus Tzyvioq
              Mystic Theurge (and Harper) of Deneir wandering the Sundered Valley in search of (and with the intention of mapping out) places of power, ley-line intersections, and other locations where the divine and arcane intersect...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by GodBeastX View Post
                Everybody wants to be the Golbez of the Cecil on the server. The Dark Sol of the shining force.
                Hehe you gave me a nostalgia tear there, X. But how could you forget about the Dark Force of the Alis!

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                • #38
                  Quick update.

                  Originally posted by undeadsteak View Post
                  come and try ^_^.
                  Please avoid d!ck swinging on the forums, thanks.
                  Dhaot Stoneshadow - Fledgling Wizard.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cheatcake View Post
                    Hehe you gave me a nostalgia tear there, X. But how could you forget about the Dark Force of the Alis!
                    Because I thought I was the only one who played Phantasy Star

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GodBeastX View Post
                      Because I thought I was the only one who played Phantasy Star
                      You certainly weren't! Although thinking back a bit, I guess it should be the Lassic of the Alis, to follow Golbez instead of Zeromus

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Grigori View Post
                        All you roguish types could band together if it's getting that rough... Form your own guild perhaps? Start planning similar times to be on?..
                        For what's it's worth, Darren and someone else have allready started one. Be on the look out for messages the coming week.

                        By the way, if you are playing a 'stupid' rogue, don't expect to be invited all that quickly. Pickpockets are fine with the guild, but if they show more problems then sanity, they will quickly be gone

                        By the way, didnt read the whole thread. But evil is usually roleplayed out by your actions, not sincerely by the mean deeds you do. You can go along with a do goody group all you want, and when one dies, choose to kick him in the groin, pickpocket him, don't raise him, etc. The rest of the party members may look weird at you for a certain action, but when you make it not TOO evil they will shrug and raise a eyebrow, then continue.

                        People metagaming sucks though.
                        Fret and fear, for Europe is near.

                        Desmonia Flashir

                        GBX: I'm a level 20 programmer for sure in real life. I know more about CPU's, software, Windows, etc, than most people know about their own children.

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                        • #42
                          I'm closing this thread and all subsequent threads about XP gains, levelling, grinding, etc. The discussion has endured long enough and we've made our decisions about how it will work. Some may like it, others may not.

                          The fact of the matter is Sundren is influenced by players but not created by them, we make the decisions and ultimately you are playing our vision of what the world should be.
                          The very existence of flame-throwers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done.

                          George Carlin

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