Killing and Running Away

[Kaizen]

Now I say 'killing' because 'murder' is when you just up and kill someone without warning.

However, when an orc spits in your ale, taunts you after repeated warnings, then in Kaizen's mind (who's apart of Nature's Wrath, and hates orcs and vampires anyways), the killing is justified.

But I digress - The question is this -

Can you run after killing someone? And is it in good sport?

Kaizen killed an obnoxiuous, taunting orc at the post today, and he ran away after guards ran to size up the situation.

Now, the DM told me it was bad form to port away. Awhile ago Ju'eir was arrested for *not* running after killing a banite, and he told me he should have - it was the only way to avoid being arrested.

I spoke with the DM, and after explaining why I ran - the DM agreed and even gave me pointers.

Right now, I'm not questioning the DM's call or view on the situation - the DM handled it perfectly.

I'm questioning my own ... was I out of line? Did I break RP rules by running before the guards could react? Or was it justified so I did not end up in jail twice in two days?

[OnyxTigress]

I think it would depend on how you play the character. It would probably depend on alignment too.

I think it would have been interesting though to have the guards chase you down.

[Kaizen]

I think it would have been interesting though to have the guards chase you down.

I'm so tired of jail though .... I ALWAYS go peacefully cause Kaizen thinks it's funny. He doesn't find it humorous anymore

[Urithrand]

Just running immediately is unfair purely because of game mechanics. From an RP point of view, you should never meander from exactly what your character would do - no matter what other people think of what you're doing - but you also need to give people and/or DMs a few seconds to RP respond to the situation before you leg it.

[OnyxTigress]

I'm so tired of jail though .... I ALWAYS go peacefully cause Kaizen thinks it's funny. He doesn't find it humorous anymore

How many times has been been to jail?

But then I can see why he would run away if he's tired of it. Just hope he didn't leave any evidence at the scene of the crime? Was the orc scorched to death? If so Kaizen should be worried.

[Kaizen]

How many times has been been to jail?

But then I can see why he would run away if he's tired of it. Just hope he didn't leave any evidence at the scene of the crime? Was the orc scorched to death? If so Kaizen should be worried.

Oh yeah, he was turned to ash . Lightning doesn't leave much ....

[Urithrand]

I don't think he'd need to panic, there's plenty of people whose style of murder would leave scorch marks.

[OnyxTigress]

I do see the point at the DM's needing time to react. Perhaps something could be done that would make characters need to stay behind for a time and not run or teleport away quickly. Like if maybe something was left behind because they were in too much of a hurry.

[Vaelek]

Was it justified for Kaizen to run as fast as was mortally possible, after slaughtering the Half-Orc in scene of half a dozen people and guards?
harh, yeah!

Was it even for the DM and Orc player however, is slightly different.

To be able to respond to a situation like that in a way that holds some balance for the murdered and the environment it occurred in, one does have to occasionally take a moment's pause to allow for things to click in place.

The situation ultimately worked itself out. The Half-Orc was brought back as having been pummeled and a little crisped more-so than murdered, and was promptly healed by the on-scene clerics. Well.. Cleric.

So it can work out, but it may be worth it in the future to stick around for at least a moment, just to give the DM and potentially other players a chance to respond -- The RP response is what makes the action worth it, after all.

[Kaizen]

Was it justified for Kaizen to run as fast as was mortally possible, after slaughtering the Half-Orc in scene of half a dozen people and guards?
harh, yeah!

Was it even for the DM and Orc player however, is slightly different.

To be able to respond to a situation like that in a way that holds some balance for the murdered and the environment it occurred in, one does have to occasionally take a moment's pause to allow for things to click in place.

The situation ultimately worked itself out. The Half-Orc was brought back as having been pummeled and a little crisped more-so than murdered, and was promptly healed by the on-scene clerics. Well.. Cleric.

So it can work out, but it may be worth it in the future to stick around for at least a moment, just to give the DM and potentially other players a chance to respond -- The RP response is what makes the action worth it, after all.

I like this. A chance for reactions. And then, after, a chance for the villain (or dashing and charming hero in Kaizen's case) to decide to split - or stay.

Thanks for the input

[Phantom Lamb]

You weren't "out of line," but I think there would be a better way to handle it.

When I want to flee an area, and I think there MIGHT be someone who would try to stop me, I emote my intentions.
*Lamb bolts for the door!*
...and then I wait.

Remember, not everyone is as swift on the keyboard as you might be. Additionally, someone might be in the middle of typing, etc. While it is technically OK to just up and bolt, I think it would be better for all parties if it was taken more slowly.

In this particular situation, if you know a DM is present, always, always go slowly. He'll make sure you get a fair attempt at fleeing the scene.

[EndsBeginning]

Also Chara followed Kaizen. I didn't have tome to put him on hostile and all that, but I did have time to do that. As things turned out Chara got the druid no save, forever lasting blind when she faced Kaizen so she couldn't apprehend him. Wouldn't surprise me if exigo put a bounty on Kaizen now

[Kaizen]

Also Chara followed Kaizen. I didn't have tome to put him on hostile and all that, but I did have time to do that. As things turned out Chara got the druid no save, forever lasting blind when she faced Kaizen so she couldn't apprehend him. Wouldn't surprise me if exigo put a bounty on Kaizen now

i knew it. i should have just killed you instead of being merciful. good thing it wasnt storming, or you would have been a sacrfice.

damn kaizen and his moral urge to fight the Storm!

[EndsBeginning]

Huh? You killed someone in Exigo, in front of a dozen witnesses. I remember what happened to Lasala when she did that. Char didn't tell the authorities where you were, just Arawen, she's hoping Arawen could get through to you.

[GodBeastX]

Here's where Lawful Good, Lawful Neutral, and Lawful Evil take hold of the player in the OOC world.

You will never be banned if you follow rules. However you can choose to be the good guy or the evil guy with your actions.

For example, I know Challenge Rating is hidden, but if you know a character is new, you can send him a friendly message:

Hey, how's it going? I just wanted to let you know my character tends to be violent and I don't want to pick on you because you're new and wouldn't want to leave a bad taste in your mouth.

If you pressure my character into this confrontation it will likely get violent. Are you okay with that?

^ Nothing -requires- you do that. This is not a server where you need 'consent' for PVP. But there's plenty of ways to get a message across without death. Even enabling subdual to "Beat the crap out of" someone is a reasonable action. I used to just petrify people as statues who got too annoying for my characters.

That can be the difference between a good person and an evil person. While my character might murder people and run without confrontation, it's nice of me to give people chances to respond, RP out actions, etc.

I tend to think I'm Lawful Neutral in this case. I'd talk to the player and see if it'd be too much for them to handle and probably not do anything but walk away annoyed IC if they prefer it.

However, if it turned to fighting because the player's fine with it, I'd just leave the area if it was Exigo camp or similar. It's not that I don't want players to have a chance to catch me, it's that players in these scenarios tend to be abusive. It's not always the dead person who complains, but the guy who couldn't catch the attacker and add a notch under his belt. They'll toss you in jail, call you a murderer, then try to get you permed by hassling DMs and even recommending something like "I don't see a way out of this for him."

So in my mind, it took me time to set the guy hostile. I probably did some RP that made it look like I was about to attack the guy which is a public warning to people around me. I enacted the attack which means they had time to set me hostile. Then I ran off, which means they probably were just too slow to catch me.

As for DMs. They can always port you back if they need to. Sure it's extra clicks for us, but we can.

It's not as though Sundren is gigantic. I have yet to see a person attack someone, become wanted for murder, and never be seen IC'ly again unless they never log in to the server again, but do we really need worry about the guy who never logs in again?

This is of course, my own method of dealing with these situations. I tend to be the guy, like you, who willingly goes to jail and gets permed. I've had so many chars permed on other servers by players it's not funny However, I tend to take a "Work for your arrest" mentality now.