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[Thief Of Navarre]

I was!

It was because of my experience with the Everondath - The Frontier's 'elven' faction... which happened to be lead by two non-drow clerics of Eilistraee. The most hippy nonsense I've ever been exposed to with elves - and I'm rather pro-elven - so much that I overdosed and had my character there sort of defect. *shudders* Ugh.

As far as I'm concerned, Halisstra beheading that goddess was one of the best uses of a vorpal sword - ever. Now, if drow elves actually want to come back to the surface and reclaim their heritage and 'yadda yadda', they just have to worship Corellon.

Hah *throws a bolt of glory at the drow*
Sissy dark elves would never be welcomed by Correlon Larethian

[Sweet Spirit]

I couldn't find any other places to join D: So i'll still be logging in game... I've had a lot of trouble with joining places lately, they all usually die within a week or less of joining o-o

It was just very disheartening seeing quite a bit of people quickly come in and say "Woot Eilistraee was killed, why the heck would you ever want her alive?"

:/

[kovah]

As a fan of Elaine Cunningham and her series about that female drow who's name I have forgotten at this moment I've always been a fan of the idea of a "goodly" drow diety. I'm with you on not understanding the hate.

I mean sure, I get the point and where folks are coming from - but this is a fantasy world we are discussing and why shouldn't(or couldn't) there be more good drow running about? So what if it detracts from how you feel the fantasy world of Faerun should operate?

Don't be hating haters!

[quick edit] I'm also thrilled with the lack of drow on Sundren for the same reasons others have stated.

[Sweet Spirit]

Naw, I know why they hate Eilistraee... and it makes sense. Playerbases in the past have messed it up so much that people just hate her from what I see. But that doesn't change the fact that everyone was basically going

"YEAH! The best thing that ever happened in Faerun EVER was her dying."

So that means the worst thing to do would to actually have her as your favorite deity, wouldn't it?

At least thats what I thought.

[kovah]

Well, if she was actually dead here i'd say simply put in a request for an event to bring her back! If Myrkul can do it then why not all the dead gods? <.< >.>

[Kaeldorn]

Naw, I know why they hate Eilistraee... and it makes sense. Playerbases in the past have messed it up so much that people just hate her from what I see. But that doesn't change the fact that everyone was basically going

"YEAH! The best thing that ever happened in Faerun EVER was her dying."

So that means the worst thing to do would to actually have her as your favorite deity, wouldn't it?

At least thats what I thought.

I think you misunderstood there. It is exactly what you say that was the basis for a few folks' statements. Player bases have messed it up, so some here are glad something happened to make those sorts of situations they dislike die down. It is no personal gripe towards you, or your liking for what the goddess should stand for.

Of course I can't actually speak for others, but I'm confident that this was the case. So.. nobody is laughing at you. You are taken as seriously as every other community member. Except perhaps Machiavelli and Kangleton, because they're crazy

[Allielliot]

Yeah, and even if people did have a dislike for the diety it might be a good chance to change their minds or at least get some interesting RP. I've almost never seen anyone be malicious on this server ooc. any "mean" thing that happens is always done IC and I for one am such a care bear by nature that if i'm rude iC you might get an ooc apology...especially if you're new to the server. I hope that you don't take this one forum post and let it ruin the server for you because i for one have had an amazing time here, and I"m sure you will to if you give it a chance.

[Tome]

Eilistraee's clergy and overall presence was one that was not always well-written, but the concept in itself is one I really like. As for her cursed-but-staying-behind behavior, it seems like she was acting as sort of a 'stairway' for drow to again be on the surface. I LOVED that concept and hated to see her go, though I have heard rumors she's not quite gone. Do not know how reliable that is though.

The lack of actual drow in her clergy in the novels was the only thing that seemed odd to me. Good idea, meh presentation.

I wish more evil gods bit the dust in spellplague. They kill off Helm and Mystra, but not Bane, Lovitar, Talos, Shar, or Cyric (we all know he's going to escape)?! What kinda crap is that?!

[Delzoun]

For any interested in learning more of drow dieties, behavior, and culture. I'd suggest the following books in the forgotten realms setting,

Legacy of the Drow 1-4 is also a good set, but most all focused on Lolth and of course Drizzt Do' Urden
War of The Spiderqueen Books 1-6
Lady Penitent Books 1-3

All these books are a fun read, and if your excited and interested in drow that aren't Drizzt Do Urden, then you can get some good ideas from these. Also the Lady Penitent books have much more about the Drow Priestesses of Eilistraee. And a lot about the other Drow Gods. Eilistraee, Lolth, Selvetarm, and Vhaeraun... oh and the Ooze God...

Yes.. I read waaay too much.

[Machiavelli]

Hang on... I thought these things were Drow. Seriously, I've had it all wrong :/

[Lothoir]

I wish more evil gods bit the dust in spellplague. They kill off Helm and Mystra, but not Bane, Lovitar, Talos, Shar, or Cyric (we all know he's going to escape)?! What kinda crap is that?!

Probably because with the new edition they wanted to make things a lot more darker and challenging to be in line with the whole 'points of light in the darkness' stuff that is repeated in the rulebooks and modules over and over again.

[GodBeastX]

I thought Shar and Cyric both bit the dust. Didn't Cyric get banished and Shar implode without Mystra or something?

[Sweet Spirit]

I thought Shar was the one that helped assasinate Mystra in the first place =o

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Spellplague

Yep... why would she die as a completely direct result of mystra dying if she helped kill Mystra? =O

I could see the deities killing her BECAUSE she helped assassinate Mystra though.

Ask DM Tome though, he seems to know =o

[GodBeastX]

"YEAH! The best thing that ever happened in Faerun EVER was her dying."

I think you exaggerated my statement a bit in your reading of it. I was pretty mellow when I said my piece. Internet can't convey my expression as well as a real-life conversation could.

DISCLAIMER: Nothing stated here is a personal attack on anyone unless I say your name specifically. Also this is not an attack on Sundren players, but is directed at players since the foundation of NWN1. Chances are this does not apply to you, but in the off chance it does, don't get pissed.

We all have our favorite aspects of Forgotten Realms, I've come to call them "Mudkips" which is a joke about people overly excited by Mudkip pokemon. Apparently that joke picked up a lot of momentum, since you can go on google images, search mudkip, and see all the jokes about kids being super excited by them.

Anyway, mudkips are just something you like more than anything. For you it's Eilistraee, for Kasso it's fiendish outsiders, for me it's monks (which is why I stay away from them), etc etc. However, people liking something too much can ruin it for others, and that's what happened to Eilistraeeans before you even were about. People got obsessed with how cool Dryzz'ztzzzzt was and his two swords of Doom 1 and Doom 2. They just decided this is an AWESOMESAUCE GOD TO LOVE! It wasn't only on Sundren and it dates back to NWN1. I still remember all the clones of this fictional character that would run around. Ironically people would even use his name. I think we even had a character app to play his brother at some point. But it doesn't stop there, Eilistraee just became the token god to cause trouble on PWs and hide behind her alignment.

I agree that Eilistraee has potential to be a great deity to enjoy, but so does every god in Faerun. I mean, naked hot chicks running around cutting up evil with sword techniques and later go out and dance under the moon naked because they're so badass at hunting. They got epic voices for singing and they're brave enough to walk outside your city naked, smile at you, and hold up "Please don't stab me" signs even though 15 years ago they're probably the same Drow that stabbed your uncle for figuring out their assassin plot while he was in Menzo selling pears.

...Oh, and did I mention they're black? And not only that, they encourage every other Elf who isn't black to paint themselves black? (I'm black in real life, so that's cool to me) So what's not to like!? All the other people who like this god for reasons you didn't think of, that's what.

So you get players who come on and think they can be very unique by being the first good drow to change a whole server's mind about what a drow is. Do they do this with speeches like Malcolm X or Martin Luther King? Do they do this by walking outside a city with their Sisterhood, unarmed, and exchange good works, hoping to win the populace over? Do they even heal wounded, and fight evil for the sake of the people? No.

They do it by simply walking into a town and saying "I'm not evil, I worship Eilistraee." while they're breaking laws, starting rebellions, yelling at guards and insulting them, even attacking them sometimes, spitting on people, messing DM channel how it's unfair for a people who only know evil drow to think they're also evil, etc etc. And this happens... oh, 5 out of 6 times for Eilistraeean Drow. The 6th one is usually a lesbian who just came on to cyber anyway

The first time that happens you shrug. Second time you laugh and remember the first guy, third time you start to wonder what's in the water, forth, fifth, sixth... twentieth... you realize that not only does every Eilistraeean PC forget that an alignment value isn't the same as an invisibility spell when racism comes into play, but you start to realize despite majority of Drow in existence actually being evil followers of Lolth (who is a greater deity which means she commands a certain number of followers), only one person on the server is an Evil drow! Oh... and they follow Bane for some odd reason... Which leads me to wonder how Lolth has any followers at all in FR.

Then you get the whole problem where people unbalance the actual god's tenants. Oh yeah, every drow female of Eilistraee is happy to dance naked under the moonlight, but for some reason every good aligned character, lawful, neutral or Chaotic, believes picking up a sword and stabbing vile individuals is evil, even though for the past 20 hours of online time they were bathing the countryside in the blood of Gnolls, Goblins, Kurz Kartel, Orcs, Necromancers, Rebels of Sundren, etc etc.

"Remember, kids, being good means being passive!"

I think Asmodeus came up with that slogan to have devils rule the world. But they will also slay evil drow on sight, or start crap with them, even though Eilistraeeans are supposed to try to get evil drow to see the light. They call them spider kissers, even though that's Vhaerun's word for Lolth worshippers, not Eilistraee's.

And like I said, it's not limited to Drow of Eilistraee. I can make a checklist if you want

- Most Halflings played by PCs are not good aligned, despite the race having STRONG good tendencies.

- Most wizards are necromancers trying to become liches.

- Most Elves fall in love with Humans, worship human gods, and pretty much act like humans.

- Most Aasimar tend to be very evil with some history about being the omen of evil because someone slaughtered their family.

- Most adventurers have a slaughtered family (Figured I'd just mention that).

- Most Tielfings tend to be neutral instead of evil.

- Most Half-orcs are either completely braindead or super geniuses. They lack a complete status quo!

- Most Humans are pale as pale can be.

- Most warlocks don't have pacts that cost them their souls in the end (Despite that being the only thing Devils want).

- Most fighters know everything about gods, planes, locale, and fishing, despite have 0 ranks in each of the knowledges. I especially love when they have 0 spellcraft and know what spell was cast

- Most clerics know very little about their god despite picking a class that's an authority on the subject.

- Most druids are built for stats and don't realize wearing metal and walking around cities just to enjoy the atmosphere pretty much pisses off druids and Sylvannas.


Anyway, what I'm saying in a near rant (But not quite a rant) is RP'ers have a tendency to wish to be unique, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's a good tendency to have, but they want to be unique so much they come up with the same outcome for their formula as the guy who came before them. Let me explain the formula.

"My race is normally C/E so I should be L/G!!! THEN I'LL BE A SNOWFLAKE!"

Back when Sundren required written application to play, I think half the drow requested to be Drow Paladins. And their background stories were pretty similar.


So no, nothing wrong with liking Eilistraee, nothing wrong with liking Bane, nothing wrong with liking Sharess, or Sune, or Pokemon I guess, but if you like them too much to the point it becomes unreasonable, what you bring into the game world will ruin the reputation of what you represent. And people love Drow the most because they're more interesting than halflings.

And trust me, the best thing that could happen to Forgotten Realms isn't Eilistraee being gone. I can think of muuuuuch better things, like necromancy actually having a chance to instantly destroy the caster

[Iso]

No, Cyric was locked up for a thousand years and Shar said oops.