Mystic Theurge?

[nickbeat]

I'm really keen on the tempest PrC.

[sharringtonm]

Unfortunately it's really difficult to script a class like this properly into the game, though I have to say this is a PrC I wouldn't mind seeing in Sundren in the future.

Actually, I can do this boss. Not a big deal at all. I'll add it to the other PRCs on the list.

[Jaeram]

Are you some sort of PRC god sharrington?

Edit - I have to say a class like that does sound very interesting, even if it isn't the most powerful one out there.

[sharringtonm]

Are you some sort of PRC god sharrington?

Edit - I have to say a class like that does sound very interesting, even if it isn't the most powerful one out there.

No not a god, as LH said, just your friendly neighbor hood s-dizzle

[Mighty_Draco]

Yea, Gairun's pretty right. If anyone's worried about the Mystic Theurge balance, it should be a worry about how weak it is. Yes, I know, he can suck at arcane *and* divine at the same time, but even with practiced spell caster, it still struggles to work on level with a vanilla wizard or cleric. I'm sure if you're clever enough, you can make it compete somewhat well, but especially with the slow level growth and 15 max level cap, you certainly don't need to worry about it becoming too powerful.

[Jaeram]

I think (from what I've heard of the class) if you found a way to successfully work in some sort of class to help it's melee a bit, like maybe Shadow Dancer, Sacred Fist, Divine Champion, Dwarven Defender, or maybe even something like Rogue or Barbarian, something to give it an edge over a wizard in melee, that it could be pretty cool. While the base stats might not be the best, with all the spells you'll get to cast you could easily double up on your number of stat buffs so that they don't run out and when fully buffed the hit he would take to his stats from needing higher levels of both Int and Wis could be worked around. You might also be able to design him kind of like a dex cleric, where you use light armor and things like tumble to help keep you alive in battle. I just think it brings a lot of cool sounding options to the table, I would probably want to at least try one out I think it could be fun even if you were limited to only like level 5 spells. I don't think you would be able to make a power build out of it (which is kind of good) but it just sounds fun for some reason.

[sharringtonm]

Guess I was thinking something else. I was groaning about the number of 4 Bard/4 Favored Soul/ 7 Mystic Theurge that might show up. (Can you imagine how long it will take them to buff? Its laughable)

[Bashir]

if your concerns are about it being underpowered. the requirements could be reduced from the normal (able to cast 2nd level divine and arcane spells) to just first level spells. and keep the skill requirements to be 6 ranks in spellcraft and lore.

that way instead of needing 3-4 levels in another spell casting class youd only need 1 level. but still aren't able to take it before level 3.

that way you got two levels to work in a melee class if you want. like Fighter, Ranger, Paladin.

if these changes are used then instead of a Druid 3, Wizard 3 Mystic theurge 9. you could have a Wizard 2, Cleric 1, Mystic Theurge 10, Fighter 2. You'd have slightly gimpy str and con stats (on account of the Wis and Int requirements) but the buffs (and two extra combat related feats) could make up for that to get a pretty well rounded fighter with options (Like Divine Power, Greater Heroism etc.).

The only area i see it being underpowered in is the heavy need for stats, since the server probably doesn't have anything over a +3 stat item. Since thats the case you'd need bare minimum 16 in each casting stat with the hope that maybe one day a DM would let you quest for the right equipment.

But at the very least this class opens up a lot of fun possibilities for building. even if you progress slower.

[Chiangtao]

Seanybear is a PRC maniac!

I can see FS / Sorc / MT being nasty.

[Vejuz]

I can see this class as being much better at buffing other people to uber levels rather than itself. (Because the need for high mental stats will cripple the physical ones.) Which does promote teamwork with at least one other person. A good whole-party buffer with zillions of spellslots.

-V

[Gairun]

Yeah your forgetting that in that build you would need at minimum a 16 wisdom and a 16 charisma. That would effectively cripple your other stats, but you say I have buffs! well they last HALF as long as a pure class caster. Also you have to remember you aren't getting any decent buffs that last anywhere long enough til level 6 or seven, which is broken in half for those two classes, which reduces time and power of the castings. Make a level 2 mage/ cleric 2. Or even bard 2/ favored soul 2, (Remember going halfs with a bard is very bad in NWN2 due to how songs work now) when you actually make the character and drive it around for a bit you'll see how hard it is to make the class actually work.

MT has always been horrible for a few other reasons too. And if you try to add in a melee class level you effectively destroy the class flat out, since you lose so much in exchange for a few simple gains.

Bonus points to Vejuz however who pointed out the ONLY benefit of having a MT, he/she can be built as a very good party support member. However if built as pure support you can't solo an orc, but everyone will want you in their party.

[Vejuz]

How do songs work now? I'm not familar with bards. (Yes, offtopic, sorry)

[MKartMaster]

I can see this class as being much better at buffing other people to uber levels rather than itself. (Because the need for high mental stats will cripple the physical ones.) Which does promote teamwork with at least one other person. A good whole-party buffer with zillions of spellslots.

-V

I'd play it. As an alternate. I tried to set up something similar (a buffbot) but it didn't turn out "good" enough for what I wanted. Needing 2/2 casting would really gimp any theurge, but 1/1 (as suggested) could make it viable.

A rough draft:

Description: BlahBlahBlah Arcane Blah Divine BlahBlah Combination Blah.
Requirements:

• Lore 6 ranks
• Able to cast 1st level arcane spells
• Able to cast 1st level divine spells
• ?

Skills: 2 + INT modifier per level
Class Skills: Concentration (Con), Craft[All] (INT), Lore (INT), Spellcraft (INT), ?
Proficiencies: A Mystic Theurge gains no new armor or weapon proficiencies
Spells: At level 1, and every level thereafter, a Mystic Theurge gains new spells known and spells per day as if he had gained a new level in 1 previous arcane spellcasting class and 1 previous divine spellcasting class. If he belonged to more than 1 arcane or divine spellcasting class before becoming a mystic theurge, he must choose which class will be advanced by the Mystic Theurge prestige class
Saves:

• Fortitude: Poor
• Reflex: Poor
• Will: Good

BAB: Low

[Bashir]

thats pretty much what i had in mind.

[Gairun]

That idea, while intriguing, would go against what a 'prestige' class is all about. Most if not all PrC's require five levels in a base class/mix just to qualify. With that set up you only need two levels to qualify. . . so you could take your first level at level 3.

While an interesting idea, it would ultimately make it (oddly enough) overpowered. It's amazing what two levels can do.