Not Half Bad

[Phantom Lamb]

Half-orcs and half-elves are pretty poor races. They are much better in Pathfinder. Any chance they could be beefed up?

Half-orcs are the worse of the two I think. Why would a half-elf have favored class: any, but a half-orc would not? Not to mention a total negative stat loss - they must think very highly of STR in 3.5. And then... what, darkvision is the real winner feat they get?

Half-elves aren't as bad, but they don't offer anything that is really appealing in any way.

[cmosier]

If they were going to alter or Pathfinderize the races, these two would be a good start. I know 3.5 thinks a +2 to STR isn't balanced by a -2 INT alone, but I disagree.

[thaelis]

I've always thought that Half-elves really get the short straw compared to either pure Humans or Elves. In my campaign I think I gave them the bonus feat instead of the silly Diplomacy/Gather info bonuses.

Half-Orcs...meh, Strength does increase both attack and damage which no other stat does. So statistically speaking its the most frequently useful stat. You hit things a lot more often than you get hit. Also for combat classes Cha is a dump stat anyway, which I'm assuming is at least part the reason 95% of Dwarf players are shield dwarves ><

[Doubtful]

Hella ugly shield dwarves at that.


*lights blue touch paper, retires*

[zypherman]

I've always thought that Half-elves really get the short straw compared to either pure Humans or Elves. In my campaign I think I gave them the bonus feat instead of the silly Diplomacy/Gather info bonuses.

Half-Orcs...meh, Strength does increase both attack and damage which no other stat does. So statistically speaking its the most frequently useful stat. You hit things a lot more often than you get hit. Also for combat classes Cha is a dump stat anyway, which I'm assuming is at least part the reason 95% of Dwarf players are shield dwarves ><

My dwarf paladin would be in that 5% then -.-

[Blakemanfresh]

still a shield dorf though

[bipolar bear]

I have to agree whole heartedly with OP here. not only do they get a permanent -2 over all to their stats, (+2 str, -2 int, -2cha) I think they should have at least a +2 of another physical stat in there may be con or dex, and afforded the the favored class of "any combat" oriented class ( maybe fighter/ranger/barb/possibly paladins could be a stretch).

just my thoughts being an avid bastard half breed lover here.

[bipolar bear]

really I think judging by the half orcs description I think they should take the wiz knock over the int knock. at the very least split it... but again im bias.

[zypherman]

If you really wanted to make the half-races closer to Pathfinder, you would have the same choice humans get in the Pathfinder system (+2 to one stat of their choice), I don't think that is possible with the NWN2 system though...

[Laurk]

Sure it is. On Legacy, at character creation you choose any attribute you want to boost by +2 at character creation. Its a free bonus feat. The same could be done with half elves.

I would recomend this for half elves, and it would jive with Pathfinder.

I think half orcs are right where they need to be. They are stronger than humans, but dumber and less charismatic. Lets face it, these are dump stats for a lot of people who want make uber-strong barbarian/fighters anyway. If anything, more strength, like +3, and less charisma, like -3. Tusks are not generally attractive to any of the standard races, probably including half orcs. And physical apperance IS an important part of charisma. I just don't know of anyone who could overlook tusks. Kiss me mr. half orc.

[Seheren]

That may be true, but in the spirit of balance, they should then at least get enough bonus to not have less total attribute points then base while giving other races +2 over base (+4 for Aasimar). That is unless they had some other bonus to even this out.

Maybe adding the racial rage feat free, as well as some added intimidate skill? It's not a lot but it adds to the feel of the class and makes for a decent trade off. Despite their lack of CHA an Orc can be very intimidating.

[Elusa]

I think just +2 STR and -2 INT would be fine. Half-orcs are hard enough to roleplay; we don't need to give them a net bonus of -2 to boot.

[Cornuto]

I'm in favor of pathfinderizing the races, give humans a +2 to whatever they want.

[Tamha]

A +2 to half-orc con would make sense as an earlier poster suggested. I think their general physical build makes them a little too bulky to write off a dex bonus, but a con bonus would definitely fit.

Not familiar with Pathfinder stats, but I understand we're already Pathfinderizing the classes, so doing the same to the races makes sense.

Also, I feel the same about how the "bonuses" of a half-elf are actually pretty lame. It's like the get half of the elves bonuses, but from their human parent only the any class favored? I'd rather have a half elf that favors their elven parent's favored class but gets a free feat, thanks.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Personally I would like to see H-Orcs on a level playing feild. (+2str, -2 another stat) and half-elves either getting as Tamha suggested elven favoured class and a feat or a stat increase of their choosing.