PvP Disarm

[roguethree]

Suggest that rules for Disarm in PvP be adjusted such that PCs are not allowed to pick up other PCs' disarmed weaponry until the fight is concluded, assuming the disarming PC is the victor, and then only under the pretense of returning those items to the disarmed and defeated PC, excepting the one item bounty that can be claimed by victorious PCs.

[Peridan]

I'd actually think that disarming someone and using their weapon to fend off the attacker is a pretty decent strategy, if you can manage it while under attack. That being said, I'd say that the one item bounty rule should be enforced more strictly, instead of various PC's having their entire inventories taken away.

[Vladadier]

My question is, should the weapons you aren't keeping be given back in an OOC way? Anosh killed Julia, and had disarmed 2 weapons. He was going to give them back IC, he gave her some terms. She drew another weapon on him, and basically threatened him... Needless to say, she didn't get either of her swords back.

[Kiroy]

My question is, should the weapons you aren't keeping be given back in an OOC way? Anosh killed Julia, and had disarmed 2 weapons. He was going to give them back IC, he gave her some terms. She drew another weapon on him, and basically threatened him... Needless to say, she didn't get either of her swords back.

Should have pissed on the swords and thrown them at her.

Jokes aside, it's not hard to find an IC reason to give weapons back while still being evil. Just have to get a bit creative.

[kuscotopia]

I always offer to give weapons back OOC.

Primarily as there is no real defense against disarm atm. In PnP a weapon wielder had options. Even something as mundane as locked gauntlets or chained gauntlets (which granted a great bonus against disarm) all the way up to a weapon of calling.

Improved disarm is unfair in a lot of respects (don't get me wrong I love it and us it all the time) but to have a weapon you worked hard to get be automatically stashed in someone else's inventory is maddening.

[Peridan]

My question is, should the weapons you aren't keeping be given back in an OOC way? Anosh killed Julia, and had disarmed 2 weapons. He was going to give them back IC, he gave her some terms. She drew another weapon on him, and basically threatened him... Needless to say, she didn't get either of her swords back.

I'd say keep one if that's what you want to do, but give the other back OOCly. The one item bounty rule exists for the reasoning that it's not fair to deprive other PC's of their gear moreso than is necessary.

[Doubtful]

The rules are an OOC constraint on IC behaviour. In your example Vladadier you should have found a way to return at least one of the weapons regardless of RP motivations, be it IC or OOC. I trust you'll rectify this mistake quickly.

The Winner of a bout of PvP is entitled, if that player so wishes, to a single peice of equipment from the loser - This includes disarmed weapons. If you disarm more than one weapon, or disarm a weapon then loose the bout, then it needs to be returned ICly or OOCly.

People who disarm others then flee from combat without returning stolen weapons ICly or OOCly will find themselves suddenly without the Disarm feat and a couple of levels.

As for stripping inventories or taking more than one item: THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.

Players should not be doing it, DMs shouldn't be doing it either. It causes headaches, stress and pissed off people all around. Don't do it. Just. Don't.

If anyone asks for more than one item or refuses to return more than one item taken, politely point them here. If they insist or get rude then screenshot it and report it via PM to me or via the requests threads and the team'll have a quiet word with them,

[Vladadier]

Anosh no longer has the swords. I had an IC way of returning them to her. She Drew her blades and threatened to kill him, denying his terms. She even roared at him and told him to keep them both. Technically, her acting aggressively would be going against the giving ample time inbetween PvP coorect? As it was less than a RL hour, and she was already drawing her weapon ready to fight... Either way, he was going to return her Adamantine Greatsword.

[Doubtful]

Just don't keep more than one weapon or object taken during a CvC session, whatever your IC excuses the rules need to be kept to OOCly.

Technically, her acting aggressively would be going against the giving ample time inbetween PvP coorect? As it was less than a RL hour, and she was already drawing her weapon ready to fight... Either way, he was going to return her Adamantine Greatsword.

Abusing PvP by repeatedly killing a character within a short period is considered griefing. Nor will we tolerate players who seek out PvP with OOC reasons. We do not consider level differences as griefing. Characters who win in PvP may not seek out the character they beat for PvP again for a 2 week period. However, if the loser seeks out the winner, the winner may react hostilely.

She lost, you turned up and gloated at her. Stands to reason she'd be aggressive and isn't going against any of the rules, though there is the Amnesia that covers the 10-15 RL mins prior to death. But if Anosh reminded her or told her, well. That's his silly fault.

If you really want to discuss the other aspects of the CvC I suggest starting a new discussion or suggestions thread, let's keep this one for Disarms.

[Thief Of Navarre]

How does the disarm feat actually work in NWN2, is it like a dex check vs a strength one or something?

[Lugwy]

Apologies for not replying sooner; dealing with a car collision and the paperwork makes for a tired Lugwy.

According to the NWN2 wiki, this is the calculation of a disarm roll:

(AB corresponding to highest AB roll) + 4 * (character size) + 4 * (weapon size) + d20

Attacker and defender make the roll above and if the attacker gets the higher roll, weapon is disarmed.

[Cornuto]

http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Disarm

(Whoops, did not notice there was a second page to this thread)

[Lugwy]

Cornuto wins for being more succinct about it.

I'd actually think that disarming someone and using their weapon to fend off the attacker is a pretty decent strategy, if you can manage it while under attack.

That said, Peridan's point is sound. Keeping the opponent from using their arms if it benefits you is a sensible move in a fight, but once the dust's settled, the rules still apply.

[ManUtd4Ever]

I have used disarm during PvP with great effect. However, I do remember more than once being warned not to try it because of the "clean up" script. Not sure if how valid this issue is, or whether it was purely urban legend; yet, I do remember a senior level monk disarming an opponent only for him to pull a spare weapon and continue to melee without any break in action… But, about 30 – 45 seconds later the disarmed weapon disappeared. It turned out to be a significant emotional event for the player disarmed because it was a customized weapon. Someone recommended he log off and then log back on into game. He did, and upon his return the weapon appeared in the opposing player’s inventory.

This was at least 1 – 1.5 years ago. Not sure if this bug was repeated and considered to be valid. Nevertheless, I have been asked many times after that incident to refrain from using disarm during PvP so as not to lose a customized weapon. I have not always agreed since I have never personally seen a weapon lost due to disarm.

[roguethree]

Keeping the opponent from using their arms if it benefits you is a sensible move in a fight, but once the dust's settled, the rules still apply.

It is sensible, but it's also a mechanic for which the counter-mechanics don't exist in the engine. Does a disarming combatant wear a harness with room for someone else's greatswords? Empty scabbards? What about the round it should take to pick up/stow a weapon? What about wrestling your weapon back away from someone who's picked it up and isn't wielding it?

Someone recommended he log off and then log back on into game. He did, and upon his return the weapon appeared in the opposing player’s inventory.

The opposing player had Improved Disarm or picked the weapon up. It's a common problem that items collected after a Disarm won't show up in the inventory pane until the inventory is reorganized, and sometimes, it requires relogging.