Fix/Disable Retributive Invisibility

[Doubtful]

I'm looking forward to tomorrows giant flaming argument. I've got .gifs to spare!

Rich does hit the nail on the head though, Cornuto's picked it up and will look into it, there's little need to keep tit-for-tatting. I don't really want to have to lock the thread or place people on the naughty step; there could be some constructive input yet to come. But if needs must then it'll be done.

[roguethree]

Quite frankly this kind of crap is embarrassing to see coming from two of the most well established members of this community.

Give it a rest, please? it isn't showing Sundren in a very good light.

It functions like this on Sundren. Please fix, or if unable to, please remove.


Thanks!

If considering paper and pencil mechanics with the paper and pencil description (and we should), it doesn't, because in paper and pencil, you can trace the source of an attack from a Greater Invisible PC and interact with it. In the Obsidian game engine, without See Invisibility or similar, you can not. This is why Greater Invisibility, after a hostile action, removes the invisibility but grants 50% concealment: the targets being attacked should be able to identify the source of the attack and go after it.

Therefore, Retributive Invisibility does not work as intended, in NWN or PnP.

Obviously, I did, else I wouldn't have posted the issue. Thanks for tackling this, Cornuto.

've pretty well summarized the argument in my previous post.

Edit for additional info: Greater Invisibility and Improved Invisibility are the same thing, I'm pretty sure.

So it's the same as Greater Invisibility.

These are all of the methods available to PnP characters to interact with invisible creatures. The Obsidian engine does not support this. Therefore, Greater Invisibility was coded to remove the invisibility affect and grant the formerly invisible creature 50% concealment, which is what invisible creatures get when they're attacked. Retributive Invisibility does not play by this rule and is therefore broken.

I feel like someone mentioned one time that the part of Holy Sword that would be fixed is hardcoded. Bless Weapon should be doable, I think, as its duration is actually finite.

Yeah, I got way out of hand there. I'm ashamed of myself.

[Catastrophe]

That's it, off to the naughty step for you.

[Gamling]

Damn, son. Better call Tyrone about this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fDU-khOp1o

[Saulus]

Ok I don't think this thread is too productive anymore, but the sentiment of the OP has been heard and acknowledged.

[GodBeastX]

One last thing.

This spell used to work better, but one of the last two patches Obsidian broke invisibility/blindness mechanics. I mean broke the hell out of them.

I don't know if this will change but I can acknowledge it it is indeed broken.

Every warlock isn't at fault for using it.