Fix/Disable Retributive Invisibility

[Cornuto]

... if it makes anyone feel better warlocks also get screwed over by NWN2 in some pretty blatant areas.

For Instance:

NOTE: In reference to beating Spell Resistance with an invocation or an Eldritch Blast, there is a bug that uses one-half the Warlock's actual caster level, including any bonuses. A level 10 Warlock would have a caster level of 5 for beating Spell Resistance. The Spell Penetration feats have their bonuses cut in half as well; each adds only +1 to beat Spell Resistance instead of +2. This bug become very significant when battling creatures with racial Spell Resistance such as Drow and Deep Gnome. However, unmodified Eldritch Blasts of +10d6 damage or more skip the Spell Resistance. In addition, the Vitriolic Blast Essence innately does not have a Spell Resistance check.

[wangxiuming]

Edit: apparently I missed a few pages reading this thread on my phone - deleting this post until I catch up

Seems like the dms will rule on this, so I'll just wait for their thoughts.

[thaelis]

If you took this feat, and you noticed that your invis NEVER BROKE while you used it, and you said nothing, that is the definition of exploiting. Using an ability or feature in a way that is mechanically broken.

Lol, I have to agree with that. Its an ability that lets you kill anything in the game without it being able to attack you back.

I have met 1 creature in the entire game that can see invisibility, and its in an Epic level dungeon, meaning warlocks can level all the way to 20th with zero risk >< (for X amount of minutes, granted)

[wangxiuming]

Keep in mind that retributive Invisibility is a Dark Level invocation, so we can only take it at 16th level. =P

As to what happens after 16th level, I can not say, as I've never used that one before. I thought Seheren mentioned that he still got attacked even though the invisibility was not dispelled?

FYI, if you turn invisible while a bunch of enemies are attacking you, they do not immediately stop attacking. They will continue to attack until you escape a good ways away from them. I know because I tried to escape a horde of Bloodmaim that way with Walk Unseen, but was murdered anyway. You'll get the 50% miss chance for being invisible, but they can still get lucky.

[Seheren]

If you attack something it attacks back. What makes it so good is that you don't get swarmed when you fight things, though 50% concealment only is still great.

[Kitsunestume]

If you attack something it attacks back. What makes it so good is that you don't get swarmed when you fight things, though 50% concealment only is still great.

On a related note to invisibility in general, some AOE abilities that don't break invisibility, such as Curse Song, can result in being invisible,and STILL having a dozen or so mobs after you trying to attack multiple times, regardless of how far you run. More abilities might also need to be flagged as a 'hostile action', as well.

[Infallius_Daemonium]

On other servers at least, I've found that initially turning invisible will not stop most creatures from attacking you. They will follow you about for a round or two swinging but eventually they should stop.

This is probably why one creature will attack you at a time even though you are still 'invisible' with retributive invisibility. I don't think PCs get that same luxury... but I can't say for certain.

[Kitsunestume]

On other servers at least, I've found that initially turning invisible will not stop most creatures from attacking you. They will follow you about for a round or two swinging but eventually they should stop.

This is probably why one creature will attack you at a time even though you are still 'invisible' with retributive invisibility. I don't think PCs get that same luxury... but I can't say for certain.

Pretty sure it's an Obsidianderp. Turning invisible does not cancel the mob's order to attck you, probably due to checking for invisibility only happening when the system orders them to attack, rather than when you cast the spell.

[Seheren]

On an unrelated note I find that the targeting of this spell, while right if it doesn't allow players to attack, is pointless when almost no one can/does use it. Why not focus on people who abuse holy sword and bless weapon? There are far more of them. It shouldn't take long to fix this spell, I would think, and those can be next.

[Cornuto]

Spite based bug reporting... I like it.

If everyone keeps being pissed off at each other we'll have this place running like a well-oiled machine.

(We probably will fix holy-sword/bless weapon as soon as divine bond gets up and running.)

[roguethree]

I feel like someone mentioned one time that the part of Holy Sword that would be fixed is hardcoded. Bless Weapon should be doable, I think, as its duration is actually finite.

[Cornuto]

http://www.sundren.org/forum/showpos...6&postcount=20

Not entirely sure that I believe this is unfixable.

[thaelis]

Spite based bug reporting... I like it.

If everyone keeps being pissed off at each other we'll have this place running like a well-oiled machine.

*Adeo steeples his fingers and chuckles as Bane grows stronger from all the hatred???*

[Seheren]

Well both are equally "exploited" by players despite how pointless it is as everyone already knew about it. Just making sure staff are aware of this "abuse"

[Delexos]

Seheren,
roughthree.

Guys please, you need to stop trying to antagonise each other, and you need to stop taking pot shots. Let it go guys, the issues have been brought up, that is fine, I am sure the whole community thanks you for the diligence with which you are pressing to see changes made to problem areas of the game. You may not actually be intending to incite each other, but from a neutral perspective all of your recent posts have pretty much seemed like they are designed to get the last word in and rile people up.

I am surprised that this thread has not been locked yet.

Cornuto already stated that he would look into the retributive invisibility, please just leave it at that and put faith in Cornuto's ability to to get stuff sorted, and holy/bless weapon shouldn't even be in this thread, if you seriously have an issue with it then post it in the bugs section where bugs are supposed to be.

Quite frankly this kind of crap is embarrassing to see coming from two of the most well established members of this community.

Give it a rest, please? it isn't showing Sundren in a very good light.

All the best,
Rich.