Nondetection Duration

[Lothoir]

Nondetection is a third level spell that makes a character immune to Detect Good/Evil/Undead and to Locate Creature. It has no mechanical benefits whatsoever and can not help a player kill things better like a Heroism or Mage Armor does.

While the PnP duration is one hour per level, normal conversation that would take one or two hours tops in game end up taking many hours in real life. I've often had to have my spellcasters bow out of conversations early to recast his Death Wards and Energy Immunities and such, spells with durations close to our exceeding 24 hours. It's even worse during DM events that can span hours and one can never rest. The hour per level duration doesn't work for this spell on a PW where there are two separate time flows.

If a PC is intelligent enough to use Nondetection on a regular basis they shouldn't be punished by having it suddenly drop while roleplaying.

Nondetection should have its duration significantly increased, maybe 10 hours per level. While that is a huge amount of time, I think it necessary.

1. The spell will still be dispelled on rest.
2. The spell can still be dispelled by offensive abjurations.
3. The spell provides a RP benefit that confers absolutely no mechanical advantages whatsoever.
4. In game time and out of game time run at two completely different rates, making the current duration inadequate.

[Doubtful]

If I had a stamp of approval, I'd stamp it on this thread.

[roguethree]

[[DM] Grinning Death]

Close enough ^

[Catastrophe]

Good answer, r3, good answer.

[Satoshi]

I stopped lurking just to add my agreement to this thread. I'd go so far as to say that a great many spells that are meant to be 'long duration' need their durations lengthened to reflect the difference between game time/real time flow - but any sort of talk about spellcasting seems to enrage the players who don't use magic.

[Valor]

As pure fighter, i still agree, any spell that adds only RP benefit to character, shoudnt be punished by short duration if its in PnP otherwise.

[Seheren]

As a player who almost exclusively plays evil characters...Yes.

[Kitsunestume]

Agreed!

Needing to escape from RP evey 20 minutes is both irritating and suspicious.

[Standur]

Just so it is clear I think this is a good idea and I am not opposed to this suggestion but aren't potions of nondetection dirt cheap?

If so, you might consider carrying around a flask and take a swig every once in a while until another fix is found.

[Thief Of Navarre]

Just so it is clear I think this is a good idea and I am not opposed to this suggestion but aren't potions of nondetection dirt cheap?

If so, you might consider carrying around a flask and take a swig every once in a while until another fix is found.

Good idea. Potions it is untill something gives

[pidcocjn]

Nondetection is a third level spell that makes a character immune to Detect Good/Evil/Undead and to Locate Creature. It has no mechanical benefits whatsoever and can not help a player kill things better like a Heroism or Mage Armor does.

I support increasing the duration of this.

I've often had to have my spellcasters bow out of conversations early to recast his Death Wards and Energy Immunities and such, spells with durations close to our exceeding 24 hours.

I don't support increasing the duration of any of these.

That is all.

[Llethander]

This thread gets the Duluvan Sule stamp of approval.

I am forever worrying about how much longer I might have on my nondetection... and when I play him I have nondetection with as close to a 100% uptime as possible.

[Thief Of Navarre]

It was one of my favorite spells in 2E. Many campaigns had rings of Non-detection though so once you had one you rarely had to use the spell again.

[Kitsunestume]

I fully agree with this plan!

On a similar note, would Disguise Self be up for a duration increase? just wondering thoughts