Amending Stealth Rules

[Dragor]

Well for starters, Sundren isn't here to balance NWN2 or DnD 3.5.

2ndly Ever since Flamestrike was removed from the Sestra Lizards and replaced with Creeping Cold of all things (way to make the dungeon Cleric/Druid Friendly) Rogues lost the best place for them to lvl

3rdly Stop suggesting things get Nerfed because your Char isnt designed to deal with it, Thats what teamwork is for

4thly I want to see more High Lvl rogues that can disarm the Dispell traps without getting spotted by anything, and have the ability to Hips out if the party Buffer (Seb) Dies (carrying him to a temple and/or cleric of course)

And finally...the only thing in DnD that is OP is a Pali/Sorc/EK Drow or a Sorc/EK/BG Drow and Demi Liches(with time stop)

[Yevelian]

3rdly Stop suggesting things get Nerfed because your Char isnt designed to deal with it, Thats what teamwork is for

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. With you 145% here.

4thly I want to see more High Lvl rogues that can disarm the Dispell traps without getting spotted by anything, and have the ability to Hips out if the party Buffer (Seb) Dies (carrying him to a temple and/or cleric of course)

Boy, do I have the rogue for you!

[Cornuto]

2ndly Ever since Flamestrike was removed from the Sestra Lizards and replaced with Creeping Cold of all things (way to make the dungeon Cleric/Druid Friendly) Rogues lost the best place for them to lvl

Wasn't done to be cleric or druid friendly but rather because the Lizards were literally killing themselves and their allies with the spell.

[Lollercide]

I say we give all HiPS characters 2,000XP every time someone starts a thread about stealth and HiPS.

[Dragor]

Wasn't done to be cleric or druid friendly but rather because the Lizards were literally killing themselves and their allies with the spell.

I know, I was just being sarcastic for all the Divine Caster Haters out there, Its Probably better this way (Haven't done that dungeon since that tweak was implemented)

[Lothoir]

With the auto-fail on 1's rule still applicable to every skill except stealth I'm going to revisit this thread and suggest that when characters use stealth mode to approach other PC's they be required to roll a Hide check and a Move Silently check, to see if they roll a 1 or not. The detecting party is not entitled to a Spot/Listen counter check. It's silly that for every other character, with every other skill, that a 1 autofails for them, but not for those using Hide or Move Silently. Especially when the wording of the House Rule explicitly mentions Hide and Move Silently:

In PnP, skill rolls don't follow this auto-fail rule. However, in PnP, you have DM's that can regulate dice rolls to apply appropriate modifiers and penalties. We don't want to create an environment where high level characters will ALWAYS spot low level ones, or ALWAYS remain hidden, or ALWAYS see through bluffs. This house rule is meant to compensate for the lack of modifiers and penalties that are usually applied to skill rolls in PnP.

Of course, to keep in line with the first part I've bolded, when a character does detect a sneak they should be required to roll a Spot and Listen check to see if they roll a 1.

It would be reasonable to only require these rolls when a sneak first approaches a person/group, and when they change transitions while following a person/group.

[Thief Of Navarre]

*sniffs the air* Necromancy is afoot. I feel it in my turning checks!

[GodBeastX]

*sniffs the air* Necromancy is afoot. I feel it in my turning checks!

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