In the name of <insert random name>...!

[cdnspr]

*whispers a prayer as he blesses the blade the man carries*

Have you been spying on me?
I'm very fond of doing this. Also, as an added precaution, my secretive divine caster never uses magic on anyone other than himself.

edit: no, xaayne, its not just because he's stingy!

[Subal]

I have a character that loves to do this , it gives him great ways of blackmailing people. And yes this gives the Feat for silent casting a wonderful rp reason to have.

[nezzerscape]

I did not mean to start something (this time). I hope that it would not get to scripting... there are so many exceptions...

*Uses the silent spell meta-magic feat*

"But I can still see the signals you are making with your hands..."

Knowledge is not a 1's and O's... If the player speaks in a different language? if you need roll a 21 on a DC or 20, would that mean you have an idea or are you willing to bet you child's life on it...

OOC explain why you are using your skill, roll, assume that the player will give you a strait answer.

If it becomes difficult, make a ruling and post in on the wiki

-10 unknown language
-5 known language but different race
+10 same deity (not sure how to pull that off)
listen + knowlged +/- adj + roll VS. bluff (?) + spell level + caster level

Uuugggg

The premise of this thread is good. There should be a chance of knowing one's deity when they cast divine spells. The question I have is what is the most appropriate without adding scripts and allow player the freedom and responsibility of doing what is right.

[richardleitch5]

most the time you ask OOC "whos that you praying to there" and they tell you, or come up with a reasion why you wont understand the name.

[Quoth The Raven]

If the DC is 20 and you get a 21, you know. You passed the DC. Even a 20 would be enough, cause you meet the DC.

If it becomes difficult, make a ruling and post in on the wiki

-10 unknown language
-5 known language but different race
+10 same deity (not sure how to pull that off)
listen + knowlged +/- adj + roll VS. bluff (?) + spell level + caster level

I don't get it, what's the deal with automation? It's not like it's more rp-ish if you do it by hand.

Why do I have to remember all of this stuff? I don't want to remember it, I'm bad at remembering things, really - I'd lose my own head if it were not attached to my body. I just want to click a button and read the result. Even better, I want to read the result automatically when I pass the check, without even clicking the button. I know, I am lazy, but hey, I've got a good excuse, I studied computer science.

Do you really like to request rolls everytime a guy casts a spell, check the modifiers, come up with a DC, OOCly agree with it, manually roll, see if you pass the DC, wait for the other guy to write the info? That's like, 2 f minutes.

I don't know you, but I like everything that speeds up gameplay and doesn't break the flow - I mean, a good part of the D&D thing on the computer is about letting the machine handle numbers crunching.

You've got objections, ok, it's reasonable. There are tables with examples for skill checks DCs, and every reasonable feature you can come up with for this hypotetical knowledge rolls systek can be coded, I know cause I scripted a whole NWN2 world for more than a year.

[Saulus]

I don't know you, but I like everything that speeds up gameplay and doesn't break the flow - I mean, a good part of the D&D thing on the computer is about letting the machine handle numbers crunching.

You've got objections, ok, it's reasonable. There are tables with examples for skill checks DCs, and every reasonable feature you can come up with for this hypotetical knowledge rolls systek can be coded, I know cause I scripted a whole NWN2 world for more than a year.

It always cracks me up when people say "I know it's not that hard because I used to script."

So does that mean you're going to apply and start scripting for us?

This is just another requested feature that can be handled by players. There's too many variables that could be taken into consideration when doing this and I don't think we need to start broadcasting IC info about players through scripting.

In short: you already can do this yourselves, there's no sense in us wasting time scripting this for the effort it takes you as a player.

[Quoth The Raven]

While I do understand what you mean by saying that it cracks you up when I say "I know it's not that hard cause I used to script", it cracks me up when people come and say "but it's complicated, you couldn't possibly code it". I mean, this thing is trivial, and yeah, I could actually code it for you - damn, I'm not going to just talk if you call me out.

Note how I did not say it should be implemented, the OP said "why don't we roll when Mr Cleric casts spells", I replied "you better off making it automatic than rolling it yourself". The reason being that doing it by hand is time consuming, unpractical and difficult because you first have to make everyone agree on things, since it's left in the air. It's no mistery that I like to put everything that slows IG things down in the hands of the engine.

[TheBlankStare]

Ya know . . . two minutes isn't really all that long. PCs who can identify spells as they're cast should probably be pretty wary of any character that starts casting divine spells and goes through any sort of trouble to cloud the identity of their deity. It doesn't take a highly educated person to be a little concerned that the priest who just healed up their wounds won't tell you in plain common which god gave them the power to do it either.

Priests who are trustworthy and good don't have a need to mask or lie about the god that's granting them their power. Of course there are exceptions from time to time but most of the time a priest of any good god is going to be calling on that god's name openly. It's the evil sneaky PCs that are the ones who don't.

A healthy dose of in character skepticism and cautiousness about people you've just met is entirely plausible. It should even be expected in most cases especially when they won't tell you who it is that they're calling on to heal your wounds or buff you up. Priests are very powerful people in general. Especially the adventuring ones.

[richardleitch5]

. It doesn't take a highly educated person to be a little concerned that the priest who just healed up their wounds won't tell you in plain common which god gave them the power to do it either.

i would accept an elf only praying in elven as its his language and his god is an elven one, some may think that dirtying the holy gods name by saying it in such a crude language as common an unholy act.

[MadSeer]

I haven't read everything, so it might've been brought up. If I'm wrong here, let me know, but Clerics pray for their daily spells once, at a certain time of the day, in a certain place. This is described in the deity's info (not in the game, but if you can get your hands on a book or just the forgotten realms wiki).

This means the priest of Lathander will pray for his Bless spell at dawn and the priestess of Shar will pray for hers at midnight (let's assume she prays for Bless and not Bane...). With that said, when the casting comes, it's just casting. It's not "In the name of Joe Clark, heal this smurf!". It's casting nonsense like "Alakazam!". Which fundamentally means that, in the end, when the spell is cast, it's Bless. No more no less, and you'll be oblivious to the deity that granted it unless it's obvious the person is a cleric of Sneakers O'Tool, or a deity specific spell like "Luck Bolt" from Tymora.

[TheBlankStare]

i would accept an elf only praying in elven as its his language and his god is an elven one, some may think that dirtying the holy gods name by saying it in such a crude language as common an unholy act.

That's true. Some may. But that shouldn't stop anyone from being wary of a priest who won't answer the question, "Which god do you worship?" In plain common. Accepting the blessings of the gods (especially when those blessings come from someone who's being evasive about his faith) has consequences for people's souls in the Forgotten Realms setting. At the end of a your character's life he's going to be judged in accordance with how that life was lived. If he's constantly been aiding a priest of Bane or letting that priest aid him but he's been saying that he's a follower of Ilmater he's lying to himself and to the gods. They're not going to be kind to his soul when he dies.

Beliefs and actions have real consequences for the people of the Realms and they know it.

[Urithrand]

As far as I'm aware, this conversation arose because when a person receives the blessing of another God, they are aware of which deity granted the blessing. Or something like that, possibly.

[The Almight Red]

You are, most likely, thinking of the PnP rules of bringing someone back from the dead. When someone tries to resurrect you, you know both the alignment and the patron god of the individual trying to bring you 'back' from the dead.

As to simple blessings, not so much. There is nothing that automatically divines the god that it originates from, just by it being placed upon you.

[Urithrand]

You're right, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

[grant]

Just saw this thread.
It may seem silly, but isn't a holy symbol required as a component in most clerical castings per PnP anyway? It seems it would need to be openly shown, and not tucked in the bottom of your bag of holding to be of any use.

I have also had tells ignored after making a knowledge religion roll to recognise a symbol on a players shield/cloths.