Level caps on certain areas

[Fezzik]

One particular area in particular, that everyone seems to love to farm once a day... and that makes for a lot of people marching up the mountain, is the Vertitas. I'm not sure it's because, as a community, we've just gotten a bit on the lackadaisical side, or we don't want to take the risk to march off to the Mossdale to get money, but level 19's and 20's can still get money out of the rebels.

I'd suggest, if possible, putting a limit of 18 or even 17 so that people actually go out and kill monsters, instead of suspending their morals a bit to much . Besides that, at 17, the Veritas, even the top level, with a party, is not as much of a sphincter clenching challenge as the Orcs, and aren't we all about Risk and Reward?

[Kajae]

This does pose the quesition of how, with PC's beating up their leaders daily, Veritas managed to save face and continue to attract membership. They're starting to look like the Team Rocket of Sundren Valley, particularly with how big a joke they are to most characters.

I'm not sure a level cap would be the answer, though. If the Veritas are supposed to be a bigger threat than they're represented as in-game, then there shouldn't really be a reason for PC's to not try and curb their terrorist efforts.

[Subal]

Pc's veritas we do try very hard to make it a challenge for the players who come up the mountain. But even at 20th level fighter such as Gromlin is no mach for a 20th level mage with his 16th level fighter friend , a rogue and perhaps a cleric.

As of late The veritas have been trying to recruit and our numbers are steadily going up. But we can only do so much.

[vexxen]

I'd have to agree with Kajae, a level cap wouldn't really be the option. The same thing would happen in Mossdale anyway. I also agree about the Veritas and their leaders getting smacked over each day, people (including myself at times) take the Veritas a little lighter than we should, not sure how to solve that problem.. But I'm sure someone would figure out something good .

As for people suspending their morals.. probably every character Ive seen has motive enough to at least attack the Veritas. After all, a stable government without any real fear of terrorist acts would be a good goal wouldn't it?

Also, a certain Veritas PC is doing a pretty good job about that when hes there too ((Kudos for that!))

[Vaelek]

As for people suspending their morals.. probably every character Ive seen has motive enough to at least attack the Veritas. After all, a stable government without any real fear of terrorist acts would be a good goal wouldn't it?

I really have to disagree - Why would a Paladin advocate, or Torm forbid, actually directly involve themselves in repeatedly slaughtering a faction that has other Paladins in it? There are so many Good aligned characters that completely ignore the Veritas as being anything other than mindless terrorists, which by public knowledge, just isn't true.

[Subal]

the problem with the veritas is that most see them as grinding tool and not what they really are. Trained military men and women who are just as strong and if not better then the legion's.
So yes a group can run up there and walk through them like there is nothing there. but my question to all those who do that is this. If in reality its so easy then why hasnt the Legion just sent 2 clerics of highest power to walk through and murder the entire place? Simple, because there asses would get handed to them quicker then snot by the "Real Veritas"

[Maevan2]

*drops the CR of the Veritas to the level of goblins* Problem solved!

[Subal]

*sighs* Damn it ! what about the golems do we get too keep them atleast

[Peridan]

the problem with the veritas is that most see them as grinding tool and not what they really are. Trained military men and women who are just as strong and if not better then the legion's.
So yes a group can run up there and walk through them like there is nothing there. but my question to all those who do that is this. If in reality its so easy then why hasnt the Legion just sent 2 clerics of highest power to walk through and murder the entire place? Simple, because there asses would get handed to them quicker then snot by the "Real Veritas"

Now, now. No need to lose objectivity here. I agree that the Veritas has been used as a bit of a scapegoat, because the vast majority of its mobs are not undead, hellspawn, or any mixture of the two that destroys a lot of melee fighters ability to smash things with damage reduction. And what's more, each level only has a few spellcasters, making it a far more likable scenario than some other of the dungeons littering Sundren.

And to be clear, it is a dungeon. Just as the Mountain Hideout and Caves are for Cartel, and the Necropolis is for the Myrkul/Banites. Which means there will be adventurers slaughtering their way to fame and fortune, no matter how strong the Veritas resistance is. There will always been some small degree of OOC knowledge and behavior of such without a DM like in a PnP environment.

As far as how to solve it, I do think an in-game mechanic would act as a bottleneck too easily if placed on one of the most valued experience gaining spots in the module. And asking for a DM to smite any adventuring group who happens to go in with a small army of Vertias would be.....well, overkill. Not to mention that the DM's can't constantly be paying attention to who runs Schild every twenty minutes.

The only thing I can really suggest is that the time limit for farming be decreased in the area by some degree. And stepping up some of the other rules for farming as well, like killing unchallenging foes for little or no xp, and only gold gain.

[Subal]

No one wants the fighting to stop on the hill, thats part of the fun. I think what fezzik was talking about was the really higher levels comming up there and doing it simply to make 5K + in 20 min of running it.

And as for the stuff before , guess i get a bit defensive over the veritas sorry heh

[Maevan2]

*sighs* Damn it ! what about the golems do we get too keep them atleast

Changing the CR affects only the XP/gold you can from killing a creature.

[Subal]

Ahhh, gotcha , my appologies missunderstood heh

[cdnspr]

...stepping up some of the other rules for farming as well, like killing unchallenging foes for little or no xp, and only gold gain.

Why even bother, when you can just run around the sharahan hills mugging all the noobs

[thaelis]

There are so many Good aligned characters that completely ignore the Veritas as being anything other than mindless terrorists, which by public knowledge, just isn't true.

Who says they ignore the fact?

What if, by my chars moral reckoning those Paladins or Good-aligned characters are at the least misguided, and at worst Fallen.

In his view, anyone who considers bloodshed the only possible solution (or the best solution) to political reform either lacks foresight or intelligence. Furthermore, their lack of intelligence has resulted in a lot of death of soldiers who signed up to protect their families and Sundren.

So yes, by this reasoning a lot of Good characters would consider it acceptable to kill Veritas.

[Fezzik]

As for people suspending their morals.. probably every character Ive seen has motive enough to at least attack the Veritas. After all, a stable government without any real fear of terrorist acts would be a good goal wouldn't it?

Also, a certain Veritas PC is doing a pretty good job about that when hes there too ((Kudos for that!))

Most people seem to forget that the Veritas targets the LEGION and the legion only. Civilian casualties are kept to a minimum or are frowned upon entirely. This is what I mean about suspending morals. Unless you're in the legion, you probably won't be as grumpy with a bunch of guerrillas poking the army once in a while as you would be if they outright blew up a town. The Legion has done more to put innocents in harms way than the Veritas has.

And yes, my original point was because level 20's and 19's run through to get a quick 5k+ in gold.

The Paladins in the Veritas would say that those that are marching up the hill are the ones that don't have the intelligence I'd think, considering those on the mountain are fighting for what is justly deserved (the throne), and was taken away by a group of tyrants (the arbiters). In effect, the government is not legitimate and should be opposed -- I'd point out Paladin's of Siamorphe for this especially.