Crafting Bench Combinations.

[Vicissitudes]

I have noticed that with the crafting system on Sundren, SOME recipes... a small handfull... require two crafting benches be together in the same area. Ie, you need a combination. The example most obvious to me is the Belt/gloves (cannot remember which) of Strength+2, which require the Magician's Workbench and Forge side by side.

This combination, as well as with some other recipes I believe also, is not present in any publicly accessible crafting area... and therefore I must assume that it is only present in guilds' private crafting areas, such as the Thayan Enclave.

As things stand at the moment, it is hard... and so it SHOULD be... to gather the materials and spells to craft magic items. As an example, the belt: (I'm working for memory, so the details might not be accurate)

Need frostfur.
Need a belt mould.
Need a PC with a high enough skill to craft the frostfur belt.
Need the frostfur belt as made above.
Need bull's strength, or someone else to cast it at a high enough caster level (Violet cannot, Transmutation is her prohibited school)
Need Magician's workbench and Forge side by side (Not publicly accessible)
Need a Bloodstone (Hard to find, at least for me)
Need the Recipe.
Need the Gold.
Need, I believe, more Skill or someone with it, in... armoursmithing?


As you can see, there are a lot of steps involved. As there should be, making such an item should be hard, and it should involve lots of steps. HOWEVER... with regards to the crafting benches together not being publicly accessible, I think this is a step too far. There is a point where difficulty becomes un-fun, and though I believe guilds should have their own perks, such as DMs, and quests, and their own items, I do not believe that crafters should be forced to either join a guild to craft, or negotiate with them - especially when it would be OOC to do so, for that particular character.

There is also a tendency here, for crafters' customers' players to become frustrated and angry at the long time it can take to find the right crafting benches.


I think that scarcity of materials, and the requirement of co=operation between characters providing skills and spells in the crafting process is a great thing. But I believe having crafting benches side-by-side not publicly available is a step too far, and retards rather than enhances the RPing of the crafting process.

I'd like to, if I'm allowed, humbly petition for there to be publicly available, or at the very least more commonly privately available to MOST guilds), these side-by-side crafting benches.

[Biohazard89]

I think.....I LIKE IT

[Kaeldorn]

There are only very few recipes needing combinations that aren't publically available. The strength and dex belts are currently the only recipes that 'suffer' from that, along with some more epic stuff I don't think people have found yet.

It's going to remain a faction/faction association perk. Although I'll be making at least a crafting area for Triumvirate as a counterweight to the Thayan and Veritas places. For 'moral issues'.

Missing out on one or two recipes due to faction relations does not seem like a big issue.

[KimKandor]

*snickers*

[grant]

Its still not really fair to those who have no reason to seek to join (or accept a recruiters pitch) any of the factions. Which I will complain about in a different thread. As there is no "crafting faction", crafting should not be a benefit of any faction above and beyond what is avalible elsewere.

The Legion for instance has 4 major divisions. Each division should offer unique benefits to the members. An Ioviani has no use for the items that a Speculatorii might need though the revers may not be true. Even letting the Ioviani even see these items maybe bad for moral.

How many Ioviani need access to an enchanters table? To raw materials and a forge, to legion specific dyes, molds and cloths yes.

How many of the Dromedes want to enchant next to a hot, smokey and noisy forge?

[Kaeldorn]

Granting specific combinations to create a select few specific kinds of equipment is not all too different from having (sub-)faction specific stores. Are those also unfair?

Also.. nobody is going to stop you from striking a deal with the Thayans to make use of their extensive crafting stations. In that regard, they're even less restricted than faction stores.

[Saulus]

Its still not really fair to those who have no reason to seek to join (or accept a recruiters pitch) any of the factions. Which I will complain about in a different thread. As there is no "crafting faction", crafting should not be a benefit of any faction above and beyond what is avalible elsewere.

Ok perhaps according to you, but to me becoming part of a faction is always going to give benefits being part of a bigger whole, especially for things like crafting. You don't need a crafting faction, there are plenty of factions to chose from, and if you don't well... that's a couple unique recipies, and you could still get permission from another faction (IE the thayans) to get access to it.

The Legion for instance has 4 major divisions. Each division should offer unique benefits to the members. An Ioviani has no use for the items that a Speculatorii might need though the revers may not be true. Even letting the Ioviani even see these items maybe bad for moral.

How many Ioviani need access to an enchanters table? To raw materials and a forge, to legion specific dyes, molds and cloths yes.

How many of the Dromedes want to enchant next to a hot, smokey and noisy forge?

An interesting idea but not quite precisely how we're setting things up.

[Phantom Lamb]

We've already stated that Sundren will drive its systems through factions. People who join factions will receive benefits that others do not. This is one of them.

We've made all Legion items to all types of Legion officers because we don't want to force certain builds into certain roles. They can always have others craft for them if they don't want to do it themselves.

Please don't bother raising the "my character doesn't want to join a faction and I'm unsupported" issue in another thread because it is a dead horse topic. We've stated from the get-go that we'll be using factions as our primary focus on Sundren, and that won't change.

[Vicissitudes]

It's going to remain a faction/faction association perk. Although I'll be making at least a crafting area for Triumvirate as a counterweight to the Thayan and Veritas places. For 'moral issues'.

That, to me, would be a good, fair compromise...

However...

Could a faction crafting area with such tables also be added for the Exigo? To even the spread a little.

I've no problem with having to negotiate with factions for the use of their crafting areas, when trying to craft such items - I think it DOES add to RP. But as things stand at the moment, it's simply impossible and anathema to RP, and frustrates people, rather than generates any roleplay. If a more *even* spread of factions had such facilities, it'd mean there were actually more people to negotiate with, and it would not railroad players and characters.

[Fezzik]

Most crafting stations (except the sawhorse, unless a new has been added?) are pretty much already available are they not? I can think of one place that is readily available to all that has at least 5 stations in it...

[grant]

There are two saw horses that I know of. One is faction, the other you have to have enough meta knowledge about the server to know where to be asked to be taken too. Characters are more than capable of cutting down trees long before they are likely to stumble across an the sawhorse. Even if you just ask around most players have no clue where to find it to guide you to it anyway.

I have been playing since Feb. I still do not know the in game ways to get to, the Necropolis or Arbiters Stand. I also do not know the non faction method of finding the Schild Mountains either.


My post about the factions had nothing to do with the dead horse part of it... but since the idea is so welcome, I'll not bother and will file it and the latest bug I found with the other unwelcome ideas.

[Saulus]

There will be more crafting stations etc for the Exigo, please be aware we are working hard to flesh out factions and fill the gaps. It's coming along.

[Phantom Lamb]

My post about the factions had nothing to do with the dead horse part of it... but since the idea is so welcome, I'll not bother and will file it and the latest bug I found with the other unwelcome ideas.

If you've found a bug we'd love to know about it. Just understand, when Sundren was created, it was founded on certain guiding principles. The faction system was one of them.

It has nothing to do with shutting down your ideas. It is simply that it is a founding principle of the server. That kind of stuff will never change.

[grant]

If you've found a bug we'd love to know about it. Just understand, when Sundren was created, it was founded on certain guiding principles. The faction system was one of them.

It has nothing to do with shutting down your ideas. It is simply that it is a founding principle of the server. That kind of stuff will never change.

That is the second time you have made the same assumption even after being told that is not what I meant!

My proposal had nothing to do with whether I agree with it or not. So just forget it. I'll just stick to the RP portion of the forums, and out of the community meetings too.

[Saulus]

That is the second time you have made the same assumption even after being told that is not what I meant!

My proposal had nothing to do with whether I agree with it or not. So just forget it. I'll just stick to the RP portion of the forums, and out of the community meetings too.

Well I'm just as confused as PL by your meaning but if that's what makes you happy to do, then go for it.

Please keep the thread OT. We have emphasized already our intentions with the benches so unless there is anymore input anyone has on the topic this thread will be closed.

And if we don't understand something please don't get so frustrated about it, that's not going to help anyone.