Alignment Comparisons

[Blue_Wyrm]

If I only saw the original trilogy, I would say L/N for Yoda. However, in the new trilogy he is definitely compassionate and good. I think most of the Jedi's tend toward good. Suffering of people cause them pain, like when planets are destroyed, Obiwan using his mind tricks to get the guy to rethink his life, etc. They definitely tend toward good alignment. Remember that you have to do good things to unlock the true power of the force in their eyes for the most part. I also think if you play KoToR you get a better understanding of a Jedi since the movies don't go that deep into it.

Yeah, I guess it makes sense, I mean Yoda from the original series was little more than Luke's tutor, it's true that this puts a lot more emphasis on LN. Having played through both KoToRs (a kickass series by the way to get insight on the Star Wars world with a D20 system), it seemed inconceivable to me that a Jedi Master could be anything else than Lawful Good.

[Rhifox]

Yeah, I guess it makes sense, I mean Yoda from the original series was little more than Luke's tutor, it's true that this puts a lot more emphasis on LN. Having played through both KoToRs (a kickass series by the way to get insight on the Star Wars world with a D20 system), it seemed inconceivable to me that a Jedi Master could be anything else than Lawful Good.

KotOR is a very abridged version of the SW D20 system. The full SWD20 is pretty much DnD in space. KotOR's version is MUCH cleaner and more efficient than the actual SWD20. It's why KotOR feels so much more smooth to play than NWN.

Also, there are definitely Jedi Masters that are Lawful Neutral.

[Dark presence]

4. Richard Nixon: NE, maybe TN: Nixon wasn't a total failure and did get things done, like Vietnam and China, but obviously things like Watergate proved he wasn't much on the rules, and made him seem very self serving and the like.

5. Benito Mussolini: LE: Hard to see a fascist dictator as much else.

8. Hilary Rodham Clinton: NE: I am not a Clinton fan at all. I'd love a woman president but, please not her! She is, in my view a very cunning and very very self serving politician, and not at all a good thing.

10. Ghengis Khan: NE: Ruthless, merciless, vicious warrior, but he carved out an empire which really changed the world, though it was not really set up to last for too long.

13. "Bill" (from Kill Bill): LN: Though he was an assassin who was responsible for that brutal church massacre, in the second film he acts as very repentant father who also went to great ends to treat Uma Thurman's character with respect and honor, and he never killed her on many occasions when he had a very easy opportunity.

18. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (President of Iran): CE: Lies through his teeth as he sponsors terrorists all around the world and tries to destabilize his neighbors, while proudly calling for the obliteration of peoples and historical facts, and making sure democracy is a joke in his own country.

20. Tyler Durden (Film "Fight Club"): CG: He tried to bring down the order and improve peoples lives, and tried not to kill anyone at all (the buildings at the end were all supposedly empty thanks to well coordinated plans).

21. General Colin Powell: LN: A soldier, but I can't think of much to put him any particular way on the G/E scale.

22. Martin Luther King Jr.: LG: His protests were never designed to cause chaos, but to keep it all rather orderly and peaceful, and of course further the civil rights movement at the same time.

23. O-Ren Ishi a.k.a Cottonmouth (Film "Kill Bill volume I): LE: She's awesomely evil! But she also apparently worked to expand and control her organization without really shaking it up too much.

26. Tom (Tom & Jerry): CE: Tomcat, poor guy, his plans are lousy and he never really tries to refine anything after it fails. And while he might just be hungry, it seems like his attempts on Jerry were motivated more by a long burning hate after he continuously failed again and again to get him.

27. Lucky the Leprechaun (Lucky Charms): CE: Leprechauns are always CE. Besides hes selfishly hording his lucky charms from hungry children.

31. Agent Smith (film "The Matrix"): LN, maybe TN: From the first film, he is the ultimate enforcer, trying to maintain order while Neo tries to break it down. He was really just doing what he was designed to do. But then if he was just a complex program, did he even have the capacity for moral thought at all?

32. Elvis Presley: LG: The king, man! And DEA agent. And soldier. Working in the system and making some nice music to make people happy.

37. Ferris Bueller (film "Ferris Bueller's Day Off): CN: Crazy teenagers and their crazy plots!

38. "KHAAAAN!!!!!" (film "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan"): NE: Everyone is a tool for him, but I can't remember much else to say whether he would be lawful or chaotic.

41. Robert E. Lee (Confederate General): LG: A soldier who, as I recall it was always honorable in battle and respected the dignity of his enemies and the rules of war.

47. Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech killer): TN/no alignment: Psycho guy, not really rational in the least, so he can't really make moral decisions, kind of like animals are supposed to be TN or have no alignment.

[Infernal_Havok]

Hey Now! Don't derail this into a Star Wars Fanboy discussion,
No Highjacking on this Corelleon Cruiser! Speaking of Which:

continued.....

61. Luke Skywalker (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):

62. Han Solo a.k.a Star Pimp (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):

63. Ike Turner:

64. Jack Sparrow (film "Pirates of the Caribbean):

65. MD Geist (Anime "MDGeist"):

66. Mario Mario (Game "Super Mario"):

67. Britney Spears (have fun with this one):

68. John Rambo (film "Rambo: First Blood" not the other crap):

69. The Lord of Darkness (film "Legend"):

70. Paul Kersey (film "Death wish"):

[Rhifox]

61. Luke Skywalker (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):

Neutral Good

62. Han Solo a.k.a Star Pimp (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):

Chaotic Neutral Leaning Good, or Chaotic Good Leaning Morally Neutral

64. Jack Sparrow (film "Pirates of the Caribbean):

Chaotic Evil. Despite his few acts of good, he was clearly out for himself and willing to do anything to get it.

[GodBeastX]

61. Luke Skywalker (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):
Stupid/Good

62. Han Solo a.k.a Star Pimp (film "Star Wars episodes 4,5,6"):
Chaotic/Neutral

63. Ike Turner:
Neutral/Evil

64. Jack Sparrow (film "Pirates of the Caribbean):
Chaotic/Evil

66. Mario Mario (Game "Super Mario"):
Stupid/Good

67. Britney Spears (have fun with this one):
Stupid/Stupid

68. John Rambo (film "Rambo: First Blood" not the other crap):
This one is a tough one. He definitely would be Chaotic. He got picked on badly. He wasn't out for good, but was he evil for what he did? I'd say C/N.

69. The Lord of Darkness (film "Legend"):
N/E

[Infernal_Havok]

64. Jack Sparrow (film "Pirates of the Caribbean):

Chaotic Evil. Despite his few acts of good, he was clearly out for himself and willing to do anything to get it.

Ha! I love how two people see Jack Sparrow as C/E!! It goes to show that C/E can be a admired character as well.

Also, this was a little demonstration to kind of show the player base how everyone interprets alignments. For the most part, most posts were on the same page, roughly. But there are quite a bit of Major departures. It is hard enough to work within the confines of an "alignment" in game terms, but this might give you an insight on how others interpret your character's motives and actions. I was hoping that some of these references may help define some inspiration as too how the majority of the players and DMs (who replied) view certain behaviours from these references, to the alignment they classified them to. So in all, this excercise serves to be more of a loose consensus of how alignment is perceived by server population.

[Lansert]

26. Tom from Tom & Jerry
Clearly, True-Neutral
He's an animal, everyone knows animals can only have a True-Neutral alignment.

[Doubtful]

You pulled a topic over two years old out of it's grave and molested it just to post that little nugget?

What kind of monster are you?

[BedlamX]

27. Lansert: Neutral Evil cuz, while he followed the posting format lawfully, he broke the Sundren laws about necromancy...and necromancers is just eeeevvvviiiilllll lol

[Duress Cleric]

1. "V" (film "V" for Vendetta"): CN

2. Arthur Pendragon (King Arthur):LN

3. Morganna Le Fey (Legend of Arthur):NE

4. Richard Nixon:NE

5. Benito Mussolini:LE

6. Rudy Giulianni:

7. Duke Leto Atriedes (film/novel "Dune"):

8. Hilary Rodham Clinton:

9. Barrack Obama:CG

10. Ghengis Khan:CN

11. Sun Tsu (Art of War):TN

12. Cleopatra:

13. "Bill" (from Kill Bill):

14. Queen Elizabeth I:LE

15. Maximus Decimus Meridius (Film "Gladiator")LG then LN

16. Bono (Band U2):

17. Nelson Mandela:CN

18. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (President of Iran):

19. Kakashi Hatake:

20. Tyler Durden (Film "Fight Club"):CE

21. General Colin Powell:

22. Martin Luther King Jr.:LN

23. O-Ren Ishi a.k.a Cottonmouth (Film "Kill Bill volume I):

24. Richard the Lionheart:

25. Dalai Lama (Current):

26. Tom (Tom & Jerry):

27. Lucky the Leprechaun (Lucky Charms):

28. Christopher Walkins (Living example of Undeath):

29. Shaka Zulu (Warrior King of the Zulu Tribes):

30. Roy Batty (film "Bladerunner"):

31. Agent Smith (film "The Matrix"):LN-LE

32. Elvis Presley:

33. Mao Zedong:

34. Karl Marx:

35. Friedrich Nietzsche:

36. Yoda:CG

37. Ferris Bueller (film "Ferris Bueller's Day Off):

38. "KHAAAAN!!!!!" (film "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan"):

39. Batman (comic "Dark Knight Series"):

40. Spike (anime "Cowboy Beebop"):

41. Robert E. Lee (Confederate General):

42. Bob Marley:

43. Travis Bickle (film "Taxi Driver"):

44. Alex de Large (film "A Clockwork Orange"):

45. Sam Lowry (film "Brazil"):

46. Warren Buffet:

47. Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech killer):

48. Dorothy (film "The Wizard of Oz"):

49. Dorian Gray (novel "A Picture of Dorian Gray" by Oscar Wilde):

50. Mata Hari:

51. Joan of Arc (Jeanne d'Arc):

52. Connor MaCLeod (film "Highlander"):

53. The Kurgan (film "Highlander"):LE

54. Madmartigan (film "Willow"):

55. Isabeau d'Anjou (film "Ladyhawke"):

56. Airk Thaughbaer (film "Willow")

57. Willow Ufgood (film "Willow")

58. Sam Gamgee (Novel "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring"):CG

59. Elrond (Novel "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring"):TN

60. Aragorn (Novel "Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring"):CG