Greetings and Question

[Doubtful]

Apart from the game-makers themselves, who've included multiple options for those who utilize rogue/paladin characters.

There's a lot more to the class than shiny armour and unthinking goodness - There are a range of faiths that sponsor paladins and a swathe of different knightly orders under each deity, each with it's own differing outlook and dogma.

[Dragor]

Even if it's not a thief, the life of the Paladin and the fighting style is a Code of Honor, he is not using dirty, sneaking style. I believe everyone will agree.

I don't, the Paladin is supposed to do everything in his power to enforce his gods ethos. If it is necissary to uphold their diety's ethos then I can see them sneaking into the middle of a warren of thugs and bandits then doing what Paladins do to evil people (ruthlessly murder them)

Alot of ppl make the mistake that the Rogue class has to be chaotic or evil

[Kaybrie]

Nowhere in the paladin's code of conduct does it mention anything about multiclassing rogue. (Though Paladins whom multiclass at all, shouldn't be allowed to take further levels of paladin.)

[Doubtful]

True, though they did bring in a bunch of feats that allow Paladins to multiclass freely with a single nominated class:

The Devoted Tracker feat allows the paladin classes to stack up with Ranger classes for animal companions (which if you make it your Paladin Mount makes it rather super-powered), smiting damage and animal empathy.

Devoted Inquisitor stacks with rogue and gives a special daze ability to a sneak/smite combo (mix this up with the feint feat for some dazzling attacks)

Devoted Performer stacks paladin and bard levels to determine smite damage and daily bardic music. It even lets you take bard levels while being Lawful Good!

[Kaizen]

There is nothing inherently evil and/or chaotic about the rogue class or Sneak Attack. Paladin/Rogue is fine.

Death Attack is the evil Sneak Attack.

[Raikon]

We are not speaking just for multiclassing the paladin class. Of course everyone can multiclass it with something. The rogue could be good of course with good intentions. Personaly i can't imagine the paladin with the shiny heavy armor, sneaking ... It could have exception in order to obey the will of his God but for the lore and the story, the Paladin is not supposed to sneaking. He is a mighty warrior with heavy armor who upholds the other good people and fighting the evil. It's like to have dex based rogue with heavy armor and shield, fighting with a dagger

I'm not speaking for the engine of the game, just for the lore. I can't accept sneaking paladin or good drow. This is absolute contradiction of the lore and the image. Of course it's not criticism to the staff here, just a conversation

[Dragor]

This is absolute contradiction of the lore and the image.

This is not an absolute contradiction of the lore, if it is I challenge you to find the lore that says so.

So far you have just stated a personal opinion, which is fine, but it bothers me when you justify it by saying it is absolute.

[Raikon]

There is nothing inherently evil and/or chaotic about the rogue class or Sneak Attack. Paladin/Rogue is fine.

Death Attack is the evil Sneak Attack.

The dilema is not if the sneak attack is good or evil, the way of fighting of the paladin is the dilema and his attitude and actions. It's very simple, you need to check just the description of the classes, without searching more info in internet

[Kaizen]

Well, first, you have to drop the impression that every single paladin runs around in heavy armor and a giant shield.

Rogue + Sneak Attack =/= Sneaking, despite the name.

From a mechanical standpoint, a high CHA score + Bluff + Feint + Sneak Attack is a very useful way for a paladin/rogue to dish out damage. Not to mention Divine Might + TWF. I've been very succesful with that build on another server.

Paladins ... fight evil and uphold the tenets of their God. Nothing requires them to galavant around in fullplate +5, or how they must fight evil (except that you can't be evil in your attempts to fight evil, ends don't justify the means, etc etc)

[Raikon]

This is not an absolute contradiction of the lore, if it is I challenge you to find the lore that says so.

So far you have just stated a personal opinion, which is fine, but it bothers me when you justify it by saying it is absolute.

Hm yes you are right, it's a personal opinion. But i believe you agree that the life of the paladin is leading by the Honor, Codex etc... Why you accept then the attitude of rogue for the paladin ?

[Kaybrie]

Exceptions to every rule.

Not all paladins are paragon.

[Kaizen]

Hm yes you are right, it's a personal opinion. But i believe you agree that the life of the paladin is leading by the Honor, Codex etc... Why you accept then the attitude of rogue for the paladin ?

You are making the assumption that all rogue's attitudes are the same, and likewise, paladins.

[Raikon]

Well, first, you have to drop the impression that every single paladin runs around in heavy armor and a giant shield.

Rogue + Sneak Attack =/= Sneaking, despite the name.

From a mechanical standpoint, a high CHA score + Bluff + Feint + Sneak Attack is a very useful way for a paladin/rogue to dish out damage. Not to mention Divine Might + TWF. I've been very succesful with that build on another server.

Paladins ... fight evil and uphold the tenets of their God. Nothing requires them to galavant around in fullplate +5, or how they must fight evil (except that you can't be evil in your attempts to fight evil, ends don't justify the means, etc etc)

It's also good idea to create 28 lvls sorcer and take 2 lvl paladin for the saves .... excellent mage, tested too

[Raikon]

You are making the assumption that all rogue's attitudes are the same, and likewise, paladins.

No the assumption is that the way of the rogue is different from this one of the paladin. But it's just a game however, everyone can create what he want to play and have fun

[Kaizen]

It's also good idea to create 28 lvls sorcer and take 2 lvl paladin for the saves .... excellent mage, tested too

It's actually better to go 2 paladin/8 sorc/10 heartwarder on this server