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  • Minimising NWN2 crashing on your machine

    There are various threads about with people complaining about crashing problems.

    I thought it might be useful if there was one where people could not just mention the current problems they have but to talk about problems they had and how they have overcome them.

    This might make useful reading for people dealing with some certain types of crashing.



    I thought I might just start of the thread with a bit of NWN2 installation optomisation method that I use myself.

    It's a little bit obsessive but this is the way I install NWN2 and for myself it has enormously reduced lag and crashing.

    1. Take any save game files and haks and PWC files and tlk and all such stuff like the sundren haks and store them in some suitable named files in your my documents folder or however you prefer. Basically anything that would be lost forever by deleting the game. Keep these files safe, to put back into your new intallation.

    2. Uninstall NWN2 and then pysically remove any remnants of the game that appear left over on your machine.

    3. Now you want a nice clean system that is all well organised and anyway.... trust me here.

    Go to control panel - open internet options - where it says browsng history click delete - Select Delete all (unless there are certain things you would rather not delete in the list)

    4. Next go to START - All Programs > - Accessories - System Tools - Disk Cleanup. Run the program and when a list with little check boxes comes up, select any box that has anything other than 0 files next to it. - Click OK and the program will clean off a lot of old temporay intallation files and temporary internet files and compress old unused files, clean out caches and all sorts of magical things.

    5. Now I use a little program i got of the internet, it's free but you can donate. I love this program, I run it about 1/week and it keeps my system running like new. Cleanup! - http://www.stevengould.org/index.php...=29&Itemid=223

    Check it out, you don't have to use this if you don't want to but i'll vouch for this program as really awsome for getting rid of all that junk on your computer that clogs it up and makes it slow and has nothing to do with the day to day running of things.

    6. Now your system is like a virgin again. Go to START - All Programs > - Accessories - System Tools - Disk Defragmenter.
    I don't care if it needs it or not, again trust me on this, there is stuff about defragging on the NWN1 and 2 forums. Just do it.

    7. Now your system is like a virgin who is bathed and washed and wearing the vestidial white robes. time to take out the NWN2 main play disk.

    Put it in and install.

    8. Once installed, run the updater. (If you just install all the expansion disks first you get some problems running the updater later, god knows why)

    9. Defrag again. This works in the long run, bigger picture thing here. O.C.D. maybe.

    10. Install Mask of the Betrayer expansion pack.

    11. Run the updater.

    12. Defrag again. (you'll notice de-fragging doesn't take so long anymore, you are literally only condensing and reorganising the NWN2 files around now into a nice orderly stack on your hard drive.)

    13. Install Storm of Zehir Expansion pack.

    14. Run the updater.

    15. Defrag again. (quit whining)

    16. put all your save game files, haks, pwc, tlk all that stuff back into the game folders where they came from.

    17. Run the Sundren updater

    18. Defrag again.

    19. Go to bed since the sun is likely coming up by now.

    20. Get up, go to work, come home, have dinner, get online and thank me personally via a tell in game.
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    Confide in me my friend and I shall love you like no other.

  • #2
    Shadows

    Anything in your graphics relating to shadows, turn right down or off. This reduced lag.

    Try increasing one thing at a time on different days to see how it affects your system.

    If it does affect your system, turn it back down.

    If it doesn't, pop it up a little more
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    • #3
      Area transition crashing in wild shape.

      Personally I find I crash on area transitioning if I am playing a druid who is in wild shape.

      I have to get out of wild shape before I transition and take it back up on the other side of the transition.

      Some people say this happens with any shape changing spells or anything that affects the appearance of your PC.

      The only solution to this is to have a much more powerful machine.

      A better CPU, more RAM and a better graphics card.
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      • #4
        I'm sure each bit of this helps (except the browser clean-ups, because that only has anything to do with how quickly internet explorer responds to browsing this site while playing), but wow. You're taking it to extremes with all that defragging

        As for the one before last post, I'd add that toning down your anti aliasing / anisotropic filtering to a lower level is very much worth considering. It devours power and only if you're a nitpicker who enlarges his screenshots in photoshop you're going to see any difference between that x4 and x8. Obviously also turn down distant shadows first. These require more, and you will see less of it. Horizon distance doesn't need to be full either.

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        • #5
          Anti-Aliasing is one of the BIGGEST resource hogs (along with point light shadows), especially if you don't have the latest vid card. I recommend turning it off altogether. Not as pretty, but much more playable.
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          • #6
            The defragging helps, it's extreme but it means you have a nice tight block on your harddrive that is NWN2, faster load times etc etc. I'll vouch for it. i've seen lots of discussion on the bioware and atari forums suggesting this.

            The whole over the top cleanup process before hand is just to get anll the crap off your hard drive before putting NWN2 on and defragging. internet files are small but there are lots on some peoples computers and they fill a lot of hard drive space.

            I once cleaned up a guys computer and it took 8 hours to delete all his internet history and temporary internet files. 3 years worth of his daughter browsing mostly.

            Some peoples systems are just gunk.
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            • #7
              I delete my browsing history and tempory internet files on a weekly basis. I also defrag my computer at least once a month. It does help with performance and I have had very few transition crashes.
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              • #8
                Taking a can of air to your computer helps too...

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                • #9
                  Don't use cdrom tray as a beer holder helps too. :P
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                  • #10
                    Sure defrag helps... that's not a debate. But 4 times? You do know that it doesn't get better with multiple passes right? How about this... install everything... then defrag once... same tight blocks of data on the drive, less sitting and thinking "GOD, WHEN WILL THIS END!?!?"
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                    • #11
                      defraging more then once is actually a good idea.

                      usually until it gets organized. in Winxp you can see it moving stuff with little lines and junk. 98 was more fun saw blocks move. Vista you just watch the spinny thing.
                      blame everything right in my life on god -Me.
                      Being insane in a sane world is alot more fun then being a sane man in an insane world. -Me
                      I am only what you percieve, and even that is an illusion. -Me.

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                      • #12
                        I've done both and defragging before any install gets all the other files on the computer tidied up. You install the game and run updates and defrag again. This has the game in a nice nougat, and then again after each expansion install means all the expansions are nicely tidied into their own little hard drive location blocks.

                        I don't knwo how it works but I have done it many ways and NWN1 and 2 were strange beasts and this method just seems to get it all working as fast as I can manage to get it working. I have done a total install one time and just defragged it all at the end because i fwelt obsessive and it was a waste of time and the funny thing was it just didn't run quite the same.

                        It's just advice, people don't have to take it. But if you have a system that is not top spec and you get loading and crashing problems, being this padantic might just make that hairs breadth of difference.
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