Invisibility

[Arckeya]

Do you mean she was looting your kills right next to you?

If so then that's against the rules considering loot is for its intents and purposes ooc. Since it's something a party acquires by working to hunt and take an area so I believe on a particular thread it's a big no-no for party members to try and ninja loot as well as non-party members to apply sticky fingers.

[Akitsuki]

i was 10 or 15 feet away.. this was during and event while combat ensude for the most part

if i was wrong in doing this i would like to hear it from a DM because it seemed apropriat RP wise

[Arckeya]

*smiles* Don't get me wrong, I'm not accusing you or saying you did anything. Could have been the kill was yours or you were designated looter in the party. I simply can't know.

What I was saying was that if you weren't traveling with him and if you were looting his kills even while he was 10-15 feet away I -think- that is against the rules. As per...

http://www.sundren.org/forum/showpos...48&postcount=5

That's all

[treznorx]

I really wasn't worried about the looting, I just wanted to point out that while she was looting i would have seen a floating object until it was hidden in her clothes. As a ranger I would have known she specifically was in the area, and as an elven ranger who wants to bring the drow in to the guards, I'm sure I would have at least taken a shot. I really think before wanted characters can run around undetected we need to establish some sort of method for their detection, it seems pretty clear to me that a ranger would notice an invisable creature looting a corpse right next to him. I am really more intrested in the RP aspect of this and not pointing fingers at isovein, I think its great that evel characters are played, but my character faces a dilemma when he knows there is someone nearby watching him, if I were to take it on as a mission to track down the drow and return them to the guards, How exactly would he interact while the drow was invisable, I would like some input on that, maybe fromw the DM's , regarding specifically the rangers tracking ability and actions that would cause the onvisable player to be known. Really the looting is farthest from my concern.

[Wargrave]

As a mage, an Elven mage at that, its my understanding that elves dont just manipulate the Weave, we feel it and are apart of it. So if a spell is cast or someone walks by not but a few feet away while invisible, is there some sort of roll that needs to be made? So that the elven wizard could sense that something manipulating the Weave is nearby and therefore at least grow somewhat suspicious.
Or am i just thinking too hard?

[Maxx Powers]

"Invisible creatures leave tracks. They can be tracked normally. Footprints in sand, mud, or other soft surfaces can give enemies clues to an invisible creature?s location."

So a character with high survival and the track feat would also have an easier time finding invisible creatures (correct me) And those with the Blind-fight feat would have an easy time finding them (with the 25% miss chance instead)

*smiles happily*

[Saulus]

Point being you don't know exactly where they are and what they look like. It's not like you can just point and say "there!".

[Maxx Powers]

So, did Tavain react well to Marek when we were in Port? What did you think of that?

BTW, you were getting crappy rolls.

[Akitsuki]

Fro white i understand blind-fight would not actualy make them any easyer to find but if your trying to attack them you will be more likely to hit.

seeing as blind-fight is not granting any bonuses other than rerolling concealment rolls


Also ive noticed that Blindsight does not actualy work use See invis not to mention that Blindsight does not actualy exist in D&D and is an oxymoron

[Cheatcake]

Both Blindsight and Blindsense exist on D&D

[Maxx Powers]

But blindsight, to my knowledge, is bugged

My argument for blindsight is the melee-touch-attack to try to find the invisible person, that is also re-rolled to a 25% miss chance. So, yes, it would be easier to "pinpoint" the invisible creature with the blind fight feat.

My only question is: If we hit them, or they attack us, doesnt the invisibility wear off? (unless its improved, of course).

[GodBeastX]

They better put hide & Invis in 1.05. DM's suffer from the same bugs people. If I go un DM invis, I can't go back invis without zoning.

[Ithildur]

As a mage, an Elven mage at that, its my understanding that elves dont just manipulate the Weave, we feel it and are apart of it. So if a spell is cast or someone walks by not but a few feet away while invisible, is there some sort of roll that needs to be made? So that the elven wizard could sense that something manipulating the Weave is nearby and therefore at least grow somewhat suspicious.
Or am i just thinking too hard?

If the spell has a verbal component, it needs to be spoken and you will hear the spell being cast, and if your spellcraft check passes, you can very likely recognize it.

From the d20 SRD: A verbal component is a spoken incantation. To provide a verbal component, you must be able to speak in a strong voice


On a somewhat related topic, not many people seem to be bothered by Warlocks going around intoning their invocations in public, which seems odd, especially the ones that emote that they are uttering something in a diabolical sounding tongue... it should make the hair stand on the back of most people's necks.

[Cheatcake]

My argument for blindsight is the melee-touch-attack to try to find the invisible person, that is also re-rolled to a 25% miss chance. So, yes, it would be easier to "pinpoint" the invisible creature with the blind fight feat.

I dunno, it might be something exclusively melee related?

Like those martial arts movies where the guy trains blindfolded to be get used to reacting to blows from all directions without relying on vision Then it could be just "combat awareness", like using the enemies footwork and blows to determine their general direction to attack back at them, but just that.

Since Blind Fighting doesn't relies on Spot or Listen, nor does it gives any bonus to those skills, I think it only helps getting a better feel of the position of your opponents when in melee combat, but if the invisible person doesn't goes into combat with you the feat doesn't helps you pinpointing them at all

[Ithildur]

I'd go with giving people with the blindFIGHT feat a bonus to spot and listen rolls vs invis people, which still does not mean you can pinpoint exactly where they are or strike at them with precision. You CAN try other things however, to reveal or harm them... lots of ways to do this.

BlindSIGHT, the spell, really is weird because aside from being completely broken and useless against concealment (*kicks Obsidian/Atari*), the description says it allows you to see invisibility, which begs the question, why is there also a See Invisibility spell at the same lvl, with the same duration? Someone at OE royally screwed this up.

Oh, and Improved (actually Greater) Invisibility is also completely broken; once you attack the invisibility is completely gone and there is no concealment whatsoever (*kicks obsidian again*)

There are so many spells broken in so many ways (especially among the arcane ones) in this game that it is ludicrous... there is a hak/override out there on NW Vault that addresses/fixes many of these spells, that I would love to see implemented. No way it could be any worse than the default array of bugs Obsidian handed us for $50...


http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view...s.Detail&id=85