Divine Champion?

[Lollercide]

I was wondering what kind of thoughts DMs had towards Divine Champions.. I see them as following only their Deity's beliefs with little regard to the law (unless their deity respects the law).

So I'm wondering if I were a Divine Champion with a Lawful Good Deity - What would be the consequences of me heading chaotic or evil? Do Divine Champions fall from the graces of their Deity like Paladins do if they disregard their Deity's thoughts and respects?

[Machiavelli]

I'm wondering if I were a Divine Champion with a Lawful Good Deity - What would be the consequences of me heading chaotic or evil? Do Divine Champions fall from the graces of their Deity like Paladins do if they disregard their Deity's thoughts and respects?

The answer is yes!

[Dune]

If Hano Fetten goes CE then I may have to kill you.

[Lollercide]

If Hano Fetten goes CE then I may have to kill you.

Nah. I think I'm going to take pride in being one of the few reliable LG characters. Not really planning on going Divine Champion either, but was curious to the differences/similarities between Paladins and Divine Champions

Should a Paladin of Torm consider a Divine Champion of Torm a brother? Or maybe more?

[Dune]

"These holy warriors are loved by thier patron's worshippers and hated by the church enemies in equal measures."

[Gamling]

Divine champions are pretty much the will of their diety, I think. Like Nulinus!

[Kangleton]

How many Divine Champions is a single deity liable to have? Should they be rare, or perhaps even unique to their deity, as being THE Divine Champion?

[Dune]

I don't think there could be a real limit but I would see them as the 'best of the best' of thier deity.

[Dark presence]

I generally wouldn't consider divine champions anywhere close to paladins/blackguards/antipaladins/clerics/etc. as far as divine status. I think they are best thought of as more along the lines of as a few steps above a layperson. They have more devotion and ties to the god and church and get certain benefits from that, but they still can't cast spells, which is the real power from any god. They don't have the same understanding and wisdom as a paladin/blackguard and certainly not a cleric, because if they did, then they would be a paladin/blackguard/whatever or cleric. And, probably most importantly, they aren't held to the same standards as the other divine classes.

[Jaeram]

I kind of have to disagree. Because Divine Champion is a PRC, it's not necessarily unlikely that the divine champion is also a paladin or cleric. I think that would be accurate when considering a non-paladin/cleric becoming a divine champion. When a paladin or cleric takes divine champion it could be seen as forming an even stronger bond with their deity. Although the name seems a bit deceiving to me, I already see paladins and clerics as a gods divine champions.

[Mighty_Draco]

Mr. Flynn can technically take levels in Divine Champion. 'nuf said.

[Gamling]

Well, I found a description.

"The divine champion is the strong right arm of their deity. They serve as a guardian of holy sites, a protector of pilgrims and a leader of crusades. Though paladins fill these roles in many good-aligned churchs, a divine champion can take up the banner of any deity, regardless of alignment or ethos. These holy warriors are loved by their patron's worshipers and hated by the church's enemies in equal measure. Most champions come from a combat or military background. Barbarians, fighters, paladins, and rangers are the most common candidates, though monks, clerics, and the more militant druids frequently pursue this path as well."

[Deathmage]

So, in other words, they're just "paladins of not necessarily Lawful Good deities" ?

Slightly unrelated, but I was considering having Peri (for those who know her) becoming a divine champion. Sadly, her Charisma is 8, which means most of the powers of that PrC will be pretty useless.