Spell "Changes"

[Sammael]

I've noticed that on Sundren there are several spells which seem to have been modified from their original incarnation from nwn2. One such spell is the Improved Mage Armour spell; the duration of this spell has been reduced from one hour/level to one minute/level.

I've looked in the faqs and other public information and I can't find the reason behind this. I'm curious as to what it is. Does anyone know what the problem was with the duration of Imp. Mage Armour and its ilk?

[Scavar]

I haven't it so much myself, except I have heard of others, like yourself mentioning it. I do remember reading something somewhere that says they have some things changed and stuff in Sundren. Might just be to make things, less magical.

It is a Low-Med Magic PW isn't it, at least as far as items go /shrug

[Sammael]

Didn't realise that low magic meant weaker casters as well as weaker items :shrug:

[Scavar]

A small bug is probably the more likely reason heh, I just figured it could be linked /shrug

[Vekin]

No Sundren has changed them, read here full the reasons why:

http://www.sundren.org/forum/showthr...=spell+balance

Detect Evil and Detect Good will be added for Blackguards and Paladins respectively. Since we did not wish to add entirely new spells to the engine to block these abilities, Protection From Good and Protection From Evil will block detection (Prot from evil will block blackguards, and vice versa).

Mage Armor and Improved Mage Armor recoded. We decided the old NWN1 method makes more sense for balance as the spells don't automatically stack with armor and other effects, helping to keep things in line. Mage Armor will give +1 to Deflection, Armor, Dodge, and Natural AC. Improved will give +2 and +3 at level 17+ caster. The duration has been greatly reduced as well.

Magic Vestments will now give up to +4 to armor instead of previous +5. It also is scaled to caster level / 4 now instead of / 5 for each increase in AC. Duration also lowered.

Shield of Faith has gotten the same change, duration also lowered.
Shield and Shield Other both give +4 Deflection Bonus (Non-stackable) now. Their duration has been lowered.

[Sammael]

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

[Machiavelli]

Actually, I might have been wrong there (deleted!)

[rustediron]

another random change: heroism can be used with a wand, but it seems to cost shitloads... 15k+, haven't tried anything higher.

[Blue_Wyrm]

Thanks Vekin for digging that old post up!

[Machiavelli]

Yup, I remembers that post well, and going "Noooo!!!". Seriously though, it can make things a bit dicey as a mage if you need to keep AC up, but in the end it's manageable. You'll never get as much AC as without the modded spells, and keeping it maxed burns more spell slots, but I reckon that was exactly the intention.

[Sammael]

It should be fine once I get enough levels that the spell lasts enough minutes.

[Zoberraz]

I noticed Flame Weapon lasted minutes instead of hours.

[Saulus]

Didn't realise that low magic meant weaker casters as well as weaker items :shrug:

Be really careful about ignorrant attitudes like this.

I'm getting tired of people using the word "nerf". Seeing as people are such perfectionists when it comes to spells and AC buffing we had a problem of how many AC buff spells stacked as compared to NWN1, so they were changed. Go ask a high level mage on Sundren if they think they are weak.