Evil/Good vs Infiltration

[deepshades]

I've noticed its easier for evil to infiltrate good in some cases.. .just because they're purposefully wanting to be deceiving and crafty and gain information and persuasion.

Good can infiltrate evil as well.. .though I hardly see any of them on this server...there is of course another route.

There was a man named Jared who played on my old NWN1 server Myth Drannor complete with Zhentil keep, Yulash... the whole bit.

He was a damn good player and a good guy. If Good wants to triumph over evil, knowing their plans would help.. you can't learn anything if you just run around smiting and destroying all the evil you find.

Furthermore, evil will torment and interrogate to get their information.

He was a Harper Agent and he knew how to get information and stay aloof.

I'm not saying to win over evil you must play a Harper agent, but from a logical point of view.. sometimes its very easy to see why evil can do sooooo much better.

I'll leave the rest of it to your imagination.

[Machiavelli]

Once again, Neutral ftw... you can infiltrate both!

[Tassafina]

The main trouble with good infiltrating Evil is that evil is usually hideing so nobody knows their evil. The ones that reveal themselves are hanging from the gallows.

[Warfire]

Once again, Neutral ftw... you can infiltrate both!

Huzzah! High-five!

[GodBeastX]

The main trouble with good infiltrating Evil is that evil is usually hideing so nobody knows their evil. The ones that reveal themselves are hanging from the gallows.

Or they are distracting people from the real Evil

[Machiavelli]

Or they are distracting people from the real Evil

Yup, they're too busy hanging Banites to pay attention to the Gnomes

[Iceshard5]

Infiltrating the good guys is fun though.. I enjoy it

[ThePaganKing]

Well, lately it seems that evil is all around us and very open about it. Last night I met a character that actually had "worshiper of Talos" in her bio and wanted to be a Stormlord. Then today, met another character that came up and told us he worshiped Talos and wanted to be a Stormlord. Well, the evil guys are out there and pretty blatant about it.

[Felnak]

I've noticed its easier for evil to infiltrate good in some cases.. .just because they're purposefully wanting to be deceiving and crafty and gain information and persuasion.

Good can infiltrate evil as well.. .though I hardly see any of them on this server...there is of course another route.

There was a man named Jared who played on my old NWN1 server Myth Drannor complete with Zhentil keep, Yulash... the whole bit.

He was a damn good player and a good guy. If Good wants to triumph over evil, knowing their plans would help.. you can't learn anything if you just run around smiting and destroying all the evil you find.

Furthermore, evil will torment and interrogate to get their information.

He was a Harper Agent and he knew how to get information and stay aloof.

I'm not saying to win over evil you must play a Harper agent, but from a logical point of view.. sometimes its very easy to see why evil can do sooooo much better.

I'll leave the rest of it to your imagination.

Good can also infiltrate evil... maybe not that direct infiltration that comes to mind but something much more subtle. This is not a James Bond or ninja operation.

The Harpers Agent is not a powerbuild... you may not even be able to solo your shadow. The recommended class for a Harpers Agent is a Bard, perhaps having better social skills than the average person. Everywhere they are, they watch and notice happenings. Information is gathered so that evil will eventually incriminate itself. This information is either acted on by the Harpers Agent or passed on to others who may.

How does this affect my RP? There are exceptions, but usually, being a loud mouth is not the best strategy. Make small talk but know when to shut your mouth... a very difficult objective for many. Ever hear that uncomfortable silence in a conversation? Use it to your advangate. Get along and do not be irritated by every little thing that does not fit "within the box".

A very simplistic example: An agent is trying to gather information on a suspected necromancer. At some point in the conversation, the suspect summons a skeleton. Does the agent immediately freak out and inform the suspect that he is breaking the law? HELL NO! This is not human sacrifice so just go with it. Deal with ANYONE, yes I said ANYONE, who tells you anything to the contrary. Engage the suspect in conversation. Many times, evils just love to talk about themselves. Collect the information and move on.

Keep in mind, in legal proceedings, several infractions and several witnesses are better than just one. Build the case against evil. As the fly, Evil can be caught in the web of the spider.

[deepshades]

Good can also infiltrate evil... maybe not that direct infiltration that comes to mind but something much more subtle. This is not a James Bond or ninja operation.

The Harpers Agent is not a powerbuild... you may not even be able to solo your shadow. The recommended class for a Harpers Agent is a Bard, perhaps having better social skills than the average person. Everywhere they are, they watch and notice happenings. Information is gathered so that evil will eventually incriminate itself. This information is either acted on by the Harpers Agent or passed on to others who may.

How does this affect my RP? There are exceptions, but usually, being a loud mouth is not the best strategy. Make small talk but know when to shut your mouth... a very difficult objective for many. Ever hear that uncomfortable silence in a conversation? Use it to your advangate. Get along and do not be irritated by every little thing that does not fit "within the box".

A very simplistic example: An agent is trying to gather information on a suspected necromancer. At some point in the conversation, the suspect summons a skeleton. Does the agent immediately freak out and inform the suspect that he is breaking the law? HELL NO! This is not human sacrifice so just go with it. Deal with ANYONE, yes I said ANYONE, who tells you anything to the contrary. Engage the suspect in conversation. Many times, evils just love to talk about themselves. Collect the information and move on.

Keep in mind, in legal proceedings, several infractions and several witnesses are better than just one. Build the case against evil. As the fly, Evil can be caught in the web of the spider.

Thank you that is exactly what I meant, and exactly how much I was too lazy to type out.

[Scourn]

Well, lately it seems that evil is all around us and very open about it. Last night I met a character that actually had "worshiper of Talos" in her bio and wanted to be a Stormlord. Then today, met another character that came up and told us he worshiped Talos and wanted to be a Stormlord. Well, the evil guys are out there and pretty blatant about it.

Thats called being dumb evil, and it ends up killing itself in a few days In the defence though, he can have CN followers so. But anyone who said they worshiped him wouldnt be trusted of course.

[Gothic Rose]

And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

Good people can infiltrate evil organizations, but it's a slippery slope, and much harder than evil into good. Corruption is a slippery slope, and Redemption is a rocky, almost impossible cliff to climb. It's very easy to fall into evil, and once you are there, it is difficult to climb out of the pit.

Good people infiltrating evil organizations face this problem. By infiltrating, they may at times be forced to go along with the dark deeds of the organization. But eventually, those deeds will haunt someone who is good, or the person may start to lose sight of WHY she is there. She may find a taste for the darkness.

Corruption is easy, once the job has started. But the other way does not hold true - Evil is a tar pit, sucking those it has down into ever darker depths. Getting out of that is very hard. Evil is the easy path, after all, the selfish path. Caring for others, and doing deeds for others at your own expense is a very difficult thing to do, and when you're surrounded in the dark, it's even harder.

Because evil is the easy path, it is able to creep into organizations of goodness. Simple corruption - an abbot may start stealing money from the church treasury, at first perhaps because someone needs a hand, but then, when it's proven so easy, it happens more. A cop may start becoming more and more violent with criminals, at first because - yeah, that thug wasn't coming easy - but as the effectiveness of violence over reason is proven, he starts to do it more and more.

These matters are NOT a two way street that's even. This is deep, philosophical, moral stuff. A sticky morass that you can't just wave a wand over and be done with.

[JuneyGnomey]

There are, uh.. "information gatherers" in the most unlikely of places and forms. And the best ones are the easily overlooked.
Watching the world go by, la la la la de daaa...

[Cyrgon]

From what ive read, Talos and a number of other evil gods seem to take a "protection picket" strategy for getting worship , similar to the guys who asks protection money
from local businesses in order to prevent "accidents" to happen.

So worshippers of Talos arent that uncommon and they worship mainly out of fear if i got this right.

[Kendaric]

Well, lately it seems that evil is all around us and very open about it. Last night I met a character that actually had "worshiper of Talos" in her bio and wanted to be a Stormlord. Then today, met another character that came up and told us he worshiped Talos and wanted to be a Stormlord. Well, the evil guys are out there and pretty blatant about it.

Not all who worship (or pay lip service to) an evil deity are actually evil. Many deities evil are paid respect by the common folk, either to prevent their intervention or gain their favor for an act.
Some examples:

> Many hunters pray to Malar before setting out on a hunt
> Most sailors/sea captains pray to Umberlee to gain her favor and keep their ships safe from her wrath
> Farmers may pray to Talos to prevent him sending a storm, destroying their harvest.

Unless a character is a divine caster, he basically pays respect (at least in theory) to all deities of the faerunian pantheon on one occasion or the other. Only divine casters (such as in PaganKing's example) are generally devoted to only a single deity.