Consequences

[ManUtd4Ever]

I've been meaning to raise this topic in the general discussion area for a few weeks now. I just saw a discussion on another tread and didn't want to derail their discussion on their topic.

As for wandering around as various monsters and wondering why you're getting stabbed or attacked, I'd like to suggest that it's most likely because wandering monsters are the kind of things people should be attacking. It's actually much worse when people don't attack or react negatively to patently dangerous creatures. Having someone wander up to an adult red dragon and pat it on the nose calling him "all cutsey wootsey snuggle dragon" will make you rage a thousand times harder than someone stabbing a gnoll in public for daring to be a gnoll in public.

I've recently saw a Balor chatting with a woman-with-a-tail at Second Wind Inn fire pit and did not immediately toggle them hostile. I think the sight of it led me to believe [at the time] it was a DM event.

It bothered me for a while that I did not react in character the way I knew I should have... Doubt's quote above reinforces the fact that I did not in fact react the way I should have...

I do not plan to make the same mistake again.

Cheers!

[Sypthe]

I tend to RP my characters befitting their knowledge levels. If something looks awfully scary and hideous, even the least well-educated of my characters will freak the Hells out.

The same thing goes for characters of mine that lack spellcraft and knowledge:arcana. While I OOC obviously know the spells, I always try to keep in mind my character does not. I'd imagine it to be pretty scary to see a million spells be cast and having no clue what is about to happen.

I just go by gut, and turn off all knowledge I have from owning the various Monster Manuals

[Lotus]

I've recently saw a Balor chatting with a woman-with-a-tail at Second Wind Inn fire pit and did not immediately toggle them hostile. I think the sight of it led me to believe [at the time] it was a DM event.

And if that's the case, the DM is doing something wrong using balors at a bar in the middle of nowhere. I would encourage you to ignore it and move on with your day. If it's a polymorphed PC, feel free to kill it / scream / run away, preferably kill it.

[Sypthe]

And if that's the case, the DM is doing something wrong using balors at a bar in the middle of nowhere. I would encourage you to ignore it and move on with your day. If it's a polymorphed PC, feel free to kill it / scream / run away, preferably kill it.

Just to make sure I'm not implicated: Definitely wasn't me involved, in this.

[cmosier]

I've been meaning to work on my "I want everybody involved" and start RPing more as I think my character would. This might make some people angry, but it seems they are that way already. :-) It's hard because my main isn't know for fighting fair... So... there may be some issues.

[BubbaCornbread]

I agree with Manu, there should be consequences for actions and I have actually had some very good and lively RP with a certain shapeshifter, a fire giant, and my Dwarf. It was well played out.

However, I do believe some people just think they can run about in any form or with undead or other things and get insulted when they are assaulted or verbally abused. If you create a half-orc, have a human with a tail and talk about being possessed by demons, or shapeshift into something most people would kill in a heartbeat, or at the least run away, do not be surprised if you are verbally abused or toggled hostile and killed.

I think some of the best RP is when the character takes responsibility and runs with it, whether they are beat down, can talk their way out of it, or show they are not the beast people think, but a thinking, caring being.

[Sypthe]

However, I do believe some people just think they can run about in any form or with undead or other things and get insulted when they are assaulted or verbally abused. If you create a half-orc, have a human with a tail and talk about being possessed by demons, or shapeshift into something most people would kill in a heartbeat, or at the least run away, do not be surprised if you are verbally abused or toggled hostile and killed.

I have no idea why this one turns to me: I've never been surprised by it, always run with it, and never take it OOC at all. You'd be surprised at the OOC abuse one still gets, even when they do everything 'as they should'.

I think Sundren would be a better place if folks were a little more pleasant to one another OOC. There's a certain grittiness about OOC interactions, these days, which I think doesn't help the server in any way. Then again, I've been often called a 'carebear' in other games.

[ManUtd4Ever]

I think Sundren would be a better place if folks were a little more pleasant to one another OOC. There's a certain grittiness about OOC interactions, these days, which I think doesn't help the server in any way.

My personal experience is that OOC interaction tends to lead to misunderstandings amongst players. I do not want to come across as an asshole as a player; although I am perfectly fine with my character being one if that is his RP. There is a big difference between the two IMO.

As a player - I have informed my faction lead that I may not always agree with what is happening IG, but I would rather keep everything IC.

I resolve to do a better job in this coming year to RP my character's point of view more consistent with his beliefs and background. I fully expect my actions to have IG consequences, but I hope I will not be criticized OOC for trying to improve my RP.

Cheers!

[Lothoir]

Something I think we all need to keep in mind is that we're not playing a fantasy medieval simulation; we're playing a game, for entertainment.

I enjoy roleplay, but I really can't do it when I'm in Skype calls or other voice chats with friends, and it shows so much when I'm in those calls. However, those Skype calls and other voice chats have helped me gain new friendships with people across the States; similarly, I know that other people are already at their maximum capacity for friends, and just want to do some RP. It's a balancing act to do what you want to do, and have fun, without disrupting other people's game.

[Jhickey]

I enjoy roleplay, but I really can't do it when I'm in Skype calls or other voice chats with friends, and it shows so much when I'm in those calls. However, those Skype calls and other voice chats have helped me gain new friendships with people across the States; similarly, I know that other people are already at their maximum capacity for friends, and just want to do some RP. It's a balancing act to do what you want to do, and have fun, without disrupting other people's game.

Well stated! We all have differing motivations for being here; that being said it is a game that we play, and we all have a differing experience. We are all here to play a game, even the person on the other side of the PvP.

[Grey-Moth]

I fully expect my actions to have IG consequences, but I hope I will not be criticized OOC for trying to improve my RP.

I wouldn't worry too much, man.

I can tell ya, from a slew of strange and unexpected characters to just downright insane ones, to incredibly nice ones, some people are going to tsk, and some people are going to praise what you do. Just have fun. Be true to your character. If your character does things that upset you, yourself, OOCly (this happens more often then you might think) then consider altering them a bit while still trying to keep the character true is all. I've had to do that at times, to try and keep respectful to others wishes, as well as improve my own play experience.

There's a certain amount of responsibility on both sides of the coin. Everyone's out for fun, but at a OOC level, I think it's important, absolutely, to maintain at least a civil environment. Someone doesn't understand why their wizard is being attacked outside of the Inn? It might have to do with the vampire thrall they summoned. Just try to be polite, and if that doesn't work, well. It's like RL, honestly. Things happen that we don't want to happen, and sometimes people get chaffed. Try not to blame them OOCly if they don't get it, but try to remain to your character's actions.

At least, that's what I think! I hope you're enjoyin your time RPin!

[cmosier]

As a player of a slightly arrogant and sometimes asshole of a character, I should point out a few things. I will not always respond to tells. It has nothing to with the player on the other end, but I am often involved in a lot of RP.

I do believe when you log into a persistent world you should try and focus on that or put your character in AFK. When I play a role, I consider it very much like a simulation as well as a form of entertainment.

I do get cranky in OOC land but usually when I believe something is being metagamed. If it gets too bad, I'll just ask that a DM get involved. The DMs here have been very helpful if your willing to allow yourself to be helped.

Anybody who can recall... Julia Arvison and Byrun van Hellstrom have spent a lot of time just not liking one another. The two have been in some epic shouting matches. However, Lugwy and myself get along fantastically. So, it is possible.

[bipolar bear]

when one of my chars dose something assholish I always send a quick tell saying it is nothing personal. that said, if your mugging someone in front of a cop you should expect conflict of some sort to follow (unless you have paid off the cop).

tone is lost though text in email/ IM / in game chat, if i think that something i have said or did could have offended anyone I send a tell to try and avoid unwanted/un-needed drama.


((speaking of tone, this wasn't an argument from the previous post, just something that seems to work for me)

ex: im not trying to be an asshole, but my half orc seems to be one.

[Valhalla]

I rarely see the need to apologize for my character's actions. If someone is taking an IC action and making it personal OOC, it's usually them that's causing the problem, not the person taking the action.

Not everyone is going to play nice characters, not everyone is going to be okay with what your character is doing IC, and sometimes what you want to do is going to be ruined by someone else's IC action.

That's nothing to be upset about with the other player - that's good RP. Always winning is almost as boring as everyone being friends. Everyone's roleplay should have consequences, and sometimes those won't be positive ones!

[Atmosphere]

Just stay in character if you can't be nice and leave the judgement and game ruling to the DM team, when possible. We have players of all ages, races, sexes, religious views, countries, cultures, sub cultures, and other diversities that I'm missing. Miscommunication will happen. What one views as fun and entertaining may differ from another. Just learn to let things roll off your shoulder. And if somebody is playing out of setting or something way off beat, be it a player or staff member, feel free to make mention of it through player help desk or by pming a DM.

I rarely see the need to apologize for my character's actions. If someone is taking an IC action and making it personal OOC, it's usually them that's causing the problem, not the person taking the action.

Not everyone is going to play nice characters, not everyone is going to be okay with what your character is doing IC, and sometimes what you want to do is going to be ruined by someone else's IC action.

That's nothing to be upset about with the other player - that's good RP. Always winning is almost as boring as everyone being friends. Everyone's roleplay should have consequences, and sometimes those won't be positive ones!

Agreed. But enough people get upset about everything that doesn't go their way. I'd like to encourage the community to stop looking at things as winning and losing and more like a story, both personal and world wide. It needs its ups and downs. Its challenges, failures, and successes.