Spirit Shamans require a deity?

[Daimondheart]

I was doing a little testing on a SS character and was surprised to find I was required to choose a deity. Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought Shamans were the one divine spell casting class that didn't require a deity because, kind of like Warlocks, they make pacts with various spirits. So why would a deity be required? I'm pretty sure Gann from MotB was faithless though it's been a while.

[wangxiuming]

Do all divine spellcasters need deities in nwn2? Maybe that's why?

[cmosier]

I think in the Forgotten Realms, all Divine Casters require Deities. In other 3.X settings this wasn't always the case. Faerun loves its Gods.

[Daimondheart]

It makes sense for the ones that draw power from the Gods, but as SS do not... yeah, shouldn't really be a requirement.

[Lotus]

Anyone using divine spells, no matter their source, should comprehend the existence of the gods and choose one, because the WALL.

[Daimondheart]

I don't really want to get into a Faithless debate here, so I'm just going to say: Yes, a very strong majority knows the gods exist as well as the wall, yet that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions. And I'm going to leave it at that. My questions was purely on the mechanics of the class "needing" to worship a deity and nothing to do with the common norms of faith in the land.

[Dispater]

Personally, I agree. This is just one more deviation NWN2 made from PnP for no real reason. I am fairly certain they did these things solely to mess with players. That said.. The change would have to go on a long list. I don't know a thing about altering classes, so I can't comment on how difficult it would be. I'd say this is a low priority compared to other changes/fixes they are dedicating time to.

[Daimondheart]

Taking that in mind, would any DM care if you were to make a Spirit Shaman, select one of the arbitrary deities mechanically required by you but in the RP worship another deity or none at all?

[Dispater]

This just in: Deity restrictions will be removed with the next update!

[Farmboy2003]

This just in: Deity restrictions will be removed with the next update!

Huzzah! Will I able to change Angharradh for Sehanine moonbow with a Dm IG?

[cmosier]

Is that all restrictions? I agree Spirit Shamans get their magic from spirits, but a Druid of Tempus is a little odd.

[Daimondheart]

Nice! I'm pretty sure they just mean Shamans considering the topic. Now I'll need to get my Shaman's deity changed back.

[Farmboy2003]

Is that all restrictions? I agree Spirit Shamans get their magic from spirits, but a Druid of Tempus is a little odd.

I agree. But I assumed rangers as well, and if their deific sponsorship can go beyond nature deities, why not druids?

but lets see what its about :-)

[FoogooFish]

It is about Spirit Shamans no longer requiring a specific deity.

[Daimondheart]

You're probably going to need to make a separate topic for Druids and Rangers. And while I sort of agree on the rangers point, I was under the impression that druids did need to follow one of the nature deities to get their powers. Now as for rangers, I was given the impression that they don't need to follow a deity, but the trade off is that they don't get any magical spells.